Justice Does Prevail After All
- Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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2 August 2013 13:11239485But how long before the bleeding hearts say the sentence for murdering this little boy is to long.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-23544717-----------------------------------------------------------------------
I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
------------------------------------------------------------------- - 2 August 2013 13:28239486On the news this morning I notice the man in Ohio who imprisoned those girls was given life + 1000 years.
Not as good as execution but there's little chance he'll be released - 2 August 2013 13:44239491normally in cases as serious as the murder of the lad we never hear of it again, the culprits simply rot.
daft comment from the mother's barrister about her client losing everything. - 2 August 2013 13:44239492Not a moment too long Jan, a horrendous crime against a defenceless child.Audere est facere.
- Brian Dixon
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2 August 2013 13:59239494they should have got 30 years plus rope,it would have been more apropieate. - 2 August 2013 14:35239495Lets not get emotional
Lets look at the economics of this
They have a minim of 30 years in the monster wing, very expensive for the British taxpayers
The rope is so much cheaper ,this cash could be directed into the drug rehab wing
I think you will agree TOM? - 2 August 2013 15:13239497Sorry Keith but the treatment that little lad had in his far too short life made me and a lot more people emotional, it sickened me to my stomach.Audere est facere.
- 2 August 2013 15:24239499martin
Well you and your party need to start supporting effective deterrents
The rope is a very scary thing when you're starving and beating a little kid - 2 August 2013 15:34239501saudi arabia has incredibly harsh punishments for almost any misdemeanour keith but that doesn't deter rapists, murderers and the like.
- 2 August 2013 15:44239503Maybe not Howard but I'd be interested to see the crime rates there
- 2 August 2013 15:45239504Keith Bibby wrote:My revulsion at this crime are as a Grandfather Father and human being, I despise violence and where I put my cross on a ballot paper has nothing to do with that.martin
Well you and your party need to start supporting effective deterrents
The rope is a very scary thing when you're starving and beating a little kidAudere est facere. - Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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2 August 2013 18:25239510This is one case where I would prefer a life sentence and I mean until they die so those b*****ds have a really long time to suffer and reflect on their evil and horrendous crime.
The only consolation with the sentence they have been given is they will get a bad time from those inside whichever prison they end up in.-----------------------------------------------------------------------
I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
------------------------------------------------------------------- - 2 August 2013 18:40239513the sentence is for a minimum of 30 years, i doubt they would want to come out then anyway.
for most murders of this magnitude parole is denied. - 2 August 2013 19:59239518That sentence can be overturned, and probably will be in time
They will find god repent, play the system and out - 2 August 2013 20:29239527already been tried keith nobody fell for it.
- Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
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2 August 2013 21:05239531I just hope that when a teacher raises what he/she sees as a welfare problem their concerns are treated as even more of an expert opinion than anyone from welfare or social services after all they see the child on an everyday basis rather than on the occasional visit.-----------------------------------------------------------------------
I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
------------------------------------------------------------------- - 2 August 2013 21:24239532Did anyone actually ask the young lad about his home life? If he was at school he was capable of answering questions. I'm horrified that nothing was done and at 5 yrs. old I don't doubt for a moment that it would have been possible to get answers without him even being aware that he was being questioned. Heartbreakingly sad.
- 2 August 2013 21:54239541jan and pauline, we all read the report about lessons being learned yet again.
every time a child is murdered by their parents or guardians we hear about reports from teachers, social workers, police, accident and emergency and each cover their own back.
nett result another tragic loss of a young life. - Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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2 August 2013 23:10239546Yes another case of agencies failingALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 3 August 2013 10:20239593http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/aug/02/daniel-pelka-mother-stepfather-jailed-life
"On Thursday the deputy prime minister, Nick Clegg, branded the treatment meted out to the boy as evil and vile. Speaking during his weekly phone-in on the London radio station LBC, Clegg said: "Clearly people must have seen something was wrong with this boy. We all ask the same questions: how did this happen? What happened when teachers saw this boy scavenging in bins, when they saw him lose all that weight? They apparently did pass information on - why did no one act on it?...
..."So many teachers and people in the NHS and social work that I know have only the best interests of children at heart. It's not a lack of motive. But I think what people worry about is that maybe one bit of the system doesn't talk to another bit of the system."..."
There appears to be two separate aspects to this:
-Why did it happen?
-Why was it allowed to happen?
I doubt whether we will ever get a satisfactory answer to the first point. For each of us is starkly aware that the human individual is capable of great malice, any and all human individuals. If only there was a clear 'Miracle' behind this stark fact; the Miracle that so few human individuals succumb to a totality of malice, perhaps there is justification for saying that 'we' - the vast majority of humankind - that live free from such weakness are part of a Miracle.
Though its not quite a clear miracle, we are each subject to moments - short and long - of weakness. For do we not know and accept the truth behind the old saw, "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."*
And with only a few words more, we move on to point number two...
[From the same site, linked to below and asterisked above.]
"The Henrik Hudson School District Library Media Centre provides a model essay for students which ends with the words,
Perpetrators, collaborators, bystanders, victims: we can be clear about three of these categories. The bystander, however, is the fulcrum. If there are enough notable exceptions, then protest reaches a critical mass. We don't usually think of history as being shaped by silence, but..."
-Why was it allowed to happen?
I could knock-on about Clegg's partial anagram string:evil, vile, and wonder aloud upon the benefits of saying and re-saying buzz-words while not quite saying the one word that is Totemic to the whole conversation, "LIVE", but no.
Visiting that web page has changed all that, we best stick to 'Bystander', and the issue of " history as being shaped by silence", or in this case, the 'too small voice'.
It is not The System itself that is to blame here as much as the fact that there is a System, and that because there is a System we are all, as individuals, designated as mere bystanders, without a clear role to play:The Human Rights Act, Health & Safety, Contract of Employment and the sad fact that being, again and again, told to do more and more leaves us all with the sense that we need to do less and less, that if we do something we have done everything. And finally, that if anyone had acted to rescue this child, had anyone decided to be that 'Clear Miracle', they would have been pilloried from some one or more quarter, right up until the child was dead.
Clegg said, " that maybe one bit of the system doesn't talk to another bit of the system" When really what went wrong was that in answer to persons doing bad no person was doing good.
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http://tartarus.org/~martin/essays/burkequote.htmlIgnorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.