Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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18 August 2009
14:1827500#1
Sorry but im going to sound horrid now, but these latest developements on the likes of
GREAT TRAIN ROBBER RONNIE BIGGS
Being let free cos he didnt have long to live(now likely to last till past xmas) I feel having jailed him, then he should serve his sentence in full.
Imagine how the family of the train driver now feels? sorry totally disagree with his release,
LOCKERBIE
Now we are hearing the Scottish secretary may be releasing the only person found guily of all those lives lost on this flight.
you can fully understand the families being outraged that its even being thought of the only reason again is on compassionate grounds cos of his health.
Did he think of all the people klled, no he didnt.
Sorry, we have to remain firm on these types of people or it sends out the wrong signals
What do others think?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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18 August 2009
15:0527506#2
keith
ronnie biggs was never on the train, the violence was perpetrated by one of the 3 that were never brought to justice.
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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18 August 2009
15:2127509#3
Ronnie Briggs was only kept locked up so long because he made our police look like mugs and used looholes to evade his sentence. Far worse criminals have been released, far too early, many to go on and commit crimes such as murder. As for the Lockerbie bomber, never let him out.
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Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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18 August 2009
15:2227510#4
oops
Loopholes
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Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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18 August 2009
16:4727513#5
both i say and dont disagree with garys comments
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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18 August 2009
17:1627536#6
I agree with Howard and Gary.
Ronnie Biggs wasn't a big criminal, or a nasty one, just a big-head with a clever sense of Houdini's gift - escaping.
As Gary said, far worse crims have been released and very early too.
Hope he gets well enouggh and lives long enough to enjoy his bit of freedom.
Roger
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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18 August 2009
17:1727537#7
Happy to be in the minority i dont wish BIGGS any happiness
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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18 August 2009
17:3027540#8
You can be so cruel Keith !
Where's your sense of proportion ?
Roger
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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18 August 2009
17:3127542#9
None in his case im afraid
18 August 2009
18:2827547#10
Compassion is what seperates us from pond life, chaps.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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18 August 2009
19:3627553#11
this vindictiveness towards a dying petty thief from some astounds me.
just watching the daily news and hearing of the sickos in circulation puts biggs into persepective.
Ross Miller
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18 August 2009
19:3927554#12
Ronnie Biggs was a career criminal who fully understood the consequences if he got caught. Having been caught and convicted he then escaped and made oor penal and judicial system look like mugs. Whilst I believe he should serve out his sentence, if he is genuinely ill and that illness is terminal we should release him.
Abdelbaset Ali al-Megrahi is a different case altogether, in so far as his conviction is deeply flawed and he appears to be every inch the fall guy to allow Libya to be rehabilitated with the West. He should be released to the care of the Libyan penal system and we should let them decide whether to release him on compassionate grounds or not.
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Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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18 August 2009
21:1527558#13
Yes Ross, that is a good point about Abdelbaset Ali al-Megrahi, it was certainly not a water tight case against him.
But Bern, there are plenty of pond life out there like Baby P's murderers who will never get my compassion, what compassion did they give that little baby?
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19 August 2009
06:5727565#14
GaryC, that is why we try to offer a degree of impartiality in the legal system. If anyone hurt anyone I cared about I would want to rip their hearts out with my bare hands - the legal system protects me from performing those actions (or that's the intent) and should (!) provide the justice and social rehabilitation needed. It should serve mutliple purposes: justice for the victim, rehabilitation for the perpetrator, protection for society. It fails on many levels, but at least the system is in place and the aims are in the right area. The people in the baby P case..........Gary, even I am speechless here.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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19 August 2009
08:0927569#15
You didn't mention punishment for their crime Bern - does that not play a part too ?
Roger
19 August 2009
08:3127572#16
Justice, isn't it? I assumed punishment was incorporated into that part.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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19 August 2009
10:1227575#17
Not enough of it Bern. If we had justice this man would be dead for his crime.
19 August 2009
15:4827584#18
Ok, if there was a death penalty, the Birmingham 6, all innocent, would be dead. And there are many more who have suffered mis-justice. The case against the Libyan fella seems to be at best open to debate, so there is potential there to murder the "wrong" man. Just because the state pays someone to do it doesn't mean it isn't murder. Punishment needs to exist, to punish bad stuff and to validate victims, but a just society cannot murder people. It doesn't add up.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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19 August 2009
17:3827592#19
With modern DNA testing the chances of a mistake are reduced. I would not say apply it as it was in the past but the death penalty should certainly be reintroduced for cases where there is absolutely no doubt and the 'weight' of evidence is sufficient.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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20 August 2009
06:3627609#20
I would never call it murder Bern; murder is unjustified, executing someone, for say, for arguments sake, Baby P's murder, or even Jamie Bulger, Victoria Climbie and many others is justified; their crimes are heinous and need the ultimate penalty - losing their life for their sadistic, willful murder of an innocent child, or human being.
I know we've discussed this many times and the threads went on and on and on, so there is no right or wrong answer, only a view.
Roger