howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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16 February 2011
18:4192880some rather depressing news today on the employment front, highest number of out of work 16 - 24 year olds ever.
let's hope the new apprenticeship scheme and the work being done by roger and others bears frut very quckly. it does not take long for frustration and apathy to set in.
i took a look at local figures(they do not show the age ranges) in all 33094 claiming jsa in kent up 1900 on last month and dover showed 2275 up 125 on last month.
sadly the trend is upwards.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
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16 February 2011
19:2492884I suspect the jobless figure for the young will continue to rise as the pension age rises, there are only so many jobs out there.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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16 February 2011
19:5792888regrettably you may be right. if so we can expect social problems with disenfranchised youngsters with a lot of time on their hands.
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16 February 2011
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Keith Sansum1
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16 February 2011
21:4992904It's fair to say I did raise the issue of person's not retiring at 65 whilst wonderful for that person the young as jan says will be the losers with less jobs about
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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16 February 2011
23:3592929That's just smoke in the eyes! Most people lose their job around the age of 55 nowadays, being laid off within a scheme of pre-pensioning in order to reduce the number of civil servants by about 700,000, according to figures in the printed press.
Many others are laid off at the age of anything between 17 and 47, or 49 if you like.
The increase of the pension age is not at all the cause of incresed unemployment here in Britain, or in Europe for that matter. Very few people actually work beyond the age of 65, unless they are self-employed and want to continue working.
Labour shadow PM could have earned an applause today in Parliament if he hadn't failed to mention that 13 years of New Labour preceded the present Government. Of-course people know this, that Labour left Britain's economy in a total shambles, hence the massive unemployment and deficit figures..
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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16 February 2011
23:4292930Alexander
im afraid im unwilling to accept your view that allowing people to retire after 65 has no affect on job less figures
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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16 February 2011
23:4592932not totally true alex, people have the right to carry on until they are ready to retire.
those doing a more physically demanding job tend to give up earlier.
still means less openings for the youngsters coming through.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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17 February 2011
00:2192935I cannot help but wonder if the aches and pains that develope after a certain age have been factored in. Instead of collecting a pension I believe an increased number will be claiming disability allowance, more but different payouts.
My daughters partner has a very physical job and his back is already causing him problems, no way will he be able to continue after 60 never mind 65, who is going to employ him.
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Guest 705- Registered: 23 Sep 2010
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17 February 2011
07:5992939Well to do all the things I've got to do I'm going to have to keep going till I'm 80-I still have a mortgage to pay,a physically demanding job and 3,300 tons of steel to bring home. I started my family a little later in life than is usual,I still have a 15 year old at home and I must say that it has kept me young. I have a job which I relish,but I take it steady and don't overdo it. I have a few aches and pains now and again- the answer is not to let your GP fob you(or indeed write you )off. Most problems can be sorted. For example did you know that there are several new very effective procedures available for arthritic complaints. Thing is, not many GP's let on ,or don't know, or don't want to know about it. Luckily my Doc is a goodun. I don't feel that by carrying on that I'm taking jobs from youngsters. All the time I'm around -I'm available to pass my skills and knowledge on to those who want to learn.
Never give up...
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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the figures for february show that 2362 people are unemployed and claiming jobseekers allowance in dover a rise of 87 on the previous month.
i noticed that in the national figures there are now 900,000 people over the age of 65 still working, the highest since 1992.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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over the past week my online article: unemployment in Britain, has received a large increase in views, and is currently the most read article of mine.
I think that in particular young people will be turning away from elections, en mass, owing to the absence of hope in a solution to our economic crisis.
I also read the other day that there are an estimated 180,000 people in Britain who stayed here after being ordered to leave by the immigration authorities, and that Gov, is planning on a check-out system to count the people leaving Britain.
I also read on Sky news two days ago that there is a law which requires employers to offer jobs first to unemployed British people before they offer them to applicants who are not EU citizens. It's the first time I came across this requirement in Britain, but the article, which quotes Mr. Green of the Government, was rather vague on this.
It went on to state that employers are expected to police their own workers, ensuring that visas have not expired not only before, but also after employing (non EU) workers. I reckon many employers fail to do so, judging by the news article.
The assumption that any jobs retained by older people are depriving younger people of that job is simply not true. The jobs held by older, more experienced people are often just not appropriate for the younger people. Clearly the number of jobs is finite, but the characters of those jobs are different.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Some very interesting charts are on the Speccy site at this address for those interested:
http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/6788393/david-camerons-dreams-and-nightmares-are-written-into-todays-employment-figures.thtml
There is good and bad news for Cameron.
I reproduce the first chart here that shows clearly the private sector recovery:
There is another chart that also shows that this is working.
The third chart though shows that after a (natural) tail-off as we slipped into recession the number of jobs going to people born overseas fell off a bit but since the recovery that is picking up again. He certainly will not be pleased with that and more needs to be done to get our own unemployed back into the jobs and not allow foreigners to fill them.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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That image did not display, sorry - trying again here.....
For some reason, despite 'upload succesful' it has still not worked. You will need to look on the speccie site for it. Sorry.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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The oldies hanging on to the top jobs halts all those trying to climb the ladder, sadly this stops the youngsters ever getting on to the bottom rung.
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Just not true! It isn't like an actual ladder where a bottleneck can stop people climbing the rungs. It is much more complex and us oldies hanging around near the top of that ladder have no impact on the ones trying to get onto its foot apart from being there to offer advice and role modelling and steer the ship.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i have to disagree bern, the longer the mature ones cling on impacts along the trail.
of course the young learn from those with more experience but if they cannot get a start in the first place they don't get the chance to take advantage of passed down knowledge.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Gov. has announced it will soon start taking steps to implement a 30 hour a week work-placement scheme for unemployed people; whoever is called and does not attend, will have their benefits taken away.
It would be better to introduce national service, with a military-style training, but which would basicly mean giving the unemployed access to work in company-style groups, accompanied by military-style sergeants and officers.
The reason for this is that, to take away unemployment and housing benefits would imply letting young people starve, sleep out on benches, and go around asking for money or something to eat.
So better a disciplined way, where the young are cared for and receive a wage in return for following orders, involving training in factories and on farms, and carrying out duties.
I know an outcry will come my way, but is it not better than taking away benefits and leaving people to get on with it with nothing and with no money at all?!
After-all, Gov says that the idea is to get people out of bed at 7:30 AM and into a routine to go to work. But with over 5 million unemployed and more people loosing their job, and a relentless income of people from the East of Europe to get available jobs, it would be unseemly for the streets of Britain to be lined with starving young British people sleeping out on benches!
We all know that the jobs are not there for over 5 million people currently on out-of work-benefits. Hence my idea that the best routine would be a national-service kind of training, where you just get out and join the Company, follow orders, march to the factory with the whole contingent clothed in Army-green, and do what you are told, and get paid for it, even if only 20 hours a week.
But there would have to be a specific law ordering the employers in factories and on farms to employ British people, and at the latest now I shall receive a severe haranguing from Brussels!
Guest 673- Registered: 16 Jun 2008
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With the steady improvement in living conditions, nutrition, medical care, etc, every generation is living longer than the last. With the retirement age fixed at 65, people are spending an ever shorter fraction of their life working than heretofore and much longer retired. When I was a kid, people used to die in their seventies, only a decade or so after retiring. Now this is the exception but the retirement age is still the same. The government has rightly pointed out that this is unsustainable and everybody will have to work a bit longer.
On the one hand, this is promoted as being fairer for the younger generation as they presently not only have to work to support themselves but also have to work to support an ever larger older generation. On the other hand, we are told that there are not enough jobs to go around so older people remaining in work are depriving younger people of work in the first place.
Reading what others have posted above, it occurs to me that this may break down into job categories. Manual and unskilled workers may be knackered or cheesed off by 65 and more than ready to hand over to a new generation. Highly educated and skilled workers appear in every increasingly short supply and are more likely to be in jobs which give them satisfaction and which they would be unhappy to relinquish. Retention of these workers would maintain the knowledge base and act in the national interest.
