howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#61
short memory roger, the blues knifed thatcher in the back to save their electoral faces.
worked too
Brian Dixon
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#62
roger,as ive said to barryw sour grapes comes to mind.who ever the lib/dems team up with it should prove intresting.
#63
Brian, he may be, but that doesn't detract from his beign the best man for the job inthe Tory party. Ken Clarke is a big hitter, but definitely not a constitutionalist of the same calibre as WH.
Howard, you are right. That was indeed a dark day for many Tory supporters.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#64
It has absolutely nothing to do with sour grapes, it's what's right that counts.
The party with the lowest number of seats (from the main 3), is talking to both parties - behind their backs, to get the best deal for their party, not the best deal for the Country.
Roger
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#65
It is incredably squalid what is happening. The only party leader to act in a statesmanlike and honourable way has been Cameron.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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#66
roger/barry,both big partys know wots going on so why the gripes.alls fair in love and war.may the best idea win.
#67
Like I said, I personally prefer a Lib/Lab pact as that will ultimately destroy both parties.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#68
You are right Sid, my own insticts are the same. The problem is the economic effect, the potential meltdown of the bond markets, credit rating downgrade and the sheer cost to England of buying the support of the nationalists , though on the latter point they may not last long enough.
If have to place the country first and hope for a Lib/Con pact for that reason. At least if the Libs do go with Labour there will be a political consolation/
Guest 693- Registered: 12 Nov 2009
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#69
My instincts are the same as Barry's and Sid's. Any attempt at a coalition Government between the Labour & Lib/Dem parties will be judged a squalid and undemocratic way of grasping onto power. It'll fail for sure, and the next election will be a Tory landslide. Clegg will be seen to have shot himself in the foot for going back on what he said about siding with the party that won most votes and most seats, and destroy any Lib/Dem credibility.
True friends stab you in the front.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#70
i doubt that there will be anymore landslides once the single transferable vote comes into play.
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#71
Although Barry contests this, yet, just in these days after the election, a Labour chancelor has added about ten billion pounds to Britain's debits, by signong these over as part of a loan to bankrupt e.u. eurozone governments! Any Tory plan to axe jobs now would be seen as trying to reduce single drops of water from a running tap! People might decide to get rid of all three e.u. agenda parties and vote UKIP!
Ross Miller
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#72
for gawd's sake the talks between Clegg's team and Labour is purely a courtesy, he has no intention of doing a deal with Labour; Gordie or no Gordie.
Having said that lets be honest none of the parties won, some just lost less badly than others. If we look at the votes cast, out of 29.6m votes the Cons got 10.7m (36%), Lab got 8.6m (29%) & Lib Dems got 6.8m (23%) and 3.5m (12%) voted for other parties. clearly the electorate did not want any of the parties to have a majority and we can all play the more people did not want party x than wanted them.
The clear message here is that we need to see a paradigm shift in relationships between the parties and a more consensual form of political discourse
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
#73
Ross, I think you will find at least two senior Labour ex-ministers and one senior member publicly agreeing the Conservatives WON the election, and they LOST. I suspect Gordie can also be added to list now. Dress it any way you like, the ex-Government disagree with you.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#74
sid
i think that the ex government are rubbing their hands with glee tonight.
the sensible reds knew that the best coalition from their point of view was the blue and yellow one.
Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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#75
Oh I think it is fair to say that the Labour Party lost, in the sense that they now have 90 odd seats less than they had before, but failing to get an overall majority does not constitute a win, it may mean you are in the lead but as eggs is eggs it ain't a win.
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
#76
Ross, whatever way it's dressed up, Labour were overwhelmingly rejected. It remains to be seem whether DC/NC can deliver, and I for one won't be shy about having my say if they show signs of getting wrong, in my opinion.
#77
Carnt wait for Charlie to visit St Rads as he is areb mp to, will he bring a lib with him .
#78
How quickly the leadership debates are forgotten , i just seem to remember Nc arguing with Dc and agreeing with Gb . Can Dc trust the Yellows ?
#79
Lib dems and tories after the nightmare that will unfold due to their arranged marriage wont get back in again, people have seen lib dems are users and tories will take anything that looks their way. Also Mark dont be daft like as if golden boy would visit St Rads never came near on the run up to election wont make effort now.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#80
I am so enjoying the sour grapes on display here and elsewhere.
You will just have to get used to the new reality. Your old discredited and incompetent Labour Party have left us with a financial crisis of unprecedented proportions and all the cuts and difficult decisions that have to be made are entirely down to them.
Funny isn't it, if that shower have won they would be having to take these same decisions themselves, if they failed to do so then the markets (and maybe the IMF) would force them to do so.