Guest 667- Registered: 6 Apr 2008
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13 February 2010
10:4040479#1
Is the Law an Ass?
1. If we leave snow on the path by our home and someone falls over, it is an act of God.
If however we clear the snow from the path by our homes and someone falls over they can sue us.
2. If we build a wall around our property and someone climbs over it, falls and hurts themselves that's their fault.
If however we build a wall and place items such as glass or barbed wire on the wall or some dangerous object below the wall on our side and someone climbs over and hurts themselves they can sue us.
3. If we purchase a business and someone breaks in and there is a fire and they get seriously hurt that is their fault.
If we purchase a business and someone breaks in and there is a fire but we have secured all the doors in such a way they cannot get out they or their family can sue us.
I am sure there are a lot more like these, but why is the law set against common sense with number 1 and for the criminal in 2 and 3 or is it not as simple as that.
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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13 February 2010
10:4940481#2
Yes. (Sorry, can`t think of anything else to add, except I did mention that fact in another posting).
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Guest 667- Registered: 6 Apr 2008
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13 February 2010
10:5240482#3
Sorry Colin. I never picked it up from the other posting. It was just something that came up the other night in conversation when we were renewing the Insurance policy at the Mill.
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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13 February 2010
10:5740483#4
No it`s me who`s sorry Harry, I mentioned the law as an ass on another posting, but never done a posting on it`s own about it, so carry on mate. Sorry about the confusion.
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13 February 2010
14:0240497#5
I can use reasonable force to prevent someone entering illegally, but I cannot use any force to prevent them from leaving.
It's about time our politicos who make the law change it in favour of the innocent party and against the criminal, who should forfeit all rights once they begin the act of committing a crime.
13 February 2010
15:0140508#6
Guest 672- Registered: 3 Jun 2008
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13 February 2010
23:1940524#7
Just a quikie before I go to Bed after looking after teenagers all week.
What the **** is wrong with this ****** up country that we can't kick the **** out of ***** that make our life a misery. ( make your own mind up )
Try breaking my property or my family and you WILL receive justice to the full extent.
This does not apply to normal forum users, only those who are looking in for easy pickings when forumites are out.
Book your coffin before you arrive.
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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14 February 2010
02:4540527#8
A loan shark jailed for 5 years. Lending money out to gullible skint borrowers, and charging 1,300% interest! Yes, the commer`s in the right place. A nurse borrowed £600, and had probs with monthly payment, so she got a lump of concrete through her window by the lender`s heavy mob. Been going on for years this stuff! There were documentaries about it in the 90s. Law? As daft as those judge`s hair pieces. Is this happening in Dover do you suppose?
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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14 February 2010
08:3640536#9
I'm sure it is Colin, it always catches those least able to afford it.
I know that someone a few years ago tried to start a Credit Union Bank here, where although the interest rates were a little higher than high Street Banks at 12% (the Bank's rates were around 7 or 8% I think, but don't hold me to it), they could borrow without the normal security and not have to go to these evil shysters (I was going to put something stronger, but thought this is a family-friendly forum).
If the law only allows 5 years, then the law needs changing; if the Judghe/Magistrate only gave 5 years (and they could have given longer), they they need removing.
Maybe taking all their assets too, would have been appropriate.
In so many instances, the Judges and Magistrates seem so far removed from reality, not appreciating the pain and suffering various victims go through.
Roger
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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14 February 2010
12:0840551#10
Apparently, he had to pay back 1.3 million pounds in compensation Roger, though that does seem a small amount. I`m sure someone else will run the business while he`s inside...... Going back to Harry`s first post, are there still vagrancy laws? I see a newcomer has moved into the Bridge Street subway last week, complete with sleeping bag on a cardboard mattress, noisy radio, cap with daily earning`s in. He`s not lazy though, he doesn`t lay in bed all day, he does get out and walk about. Probably a law there somewhere that a sleeping bag is okay, but a four poster would need planning permission.
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14 February 2010
12:1340552#11
What are his alternatives?
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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14 February 2010
12:1840556#12
There is work out there Bern, and alot of less fit people doing it. He`s not elderly or disabled, and is probably fitter than I am.
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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14 February 2010
14:2840574#13
Like Bern says what are the alternatives.Im sure most employers expect you to have an address .There are few hostels for the homeless .Those we do have are full .
If they are placed in a flat by a Housing Association they need a rent deposit .If these unfortunates are found a place there is always someone saying not in my back yard
There are out reach workers who try to resove the problems /Bed asd Breakfast the trend is not to use these .Government has stated this kind of accomodation must be phased out .
I find it all very sad .It is quite the norm to see young people making themselves homeless ..
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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14 February 2010
14:3040576#14
i think colin may be right about the crook having his business carry on while he staying at her majesty's pleasure.
they usually have a couple of thugs to do their dirty work when they are on the outside anyway.
on the subject of seizure of assets, does anyone know what can be done if the miscreant has all their property in the name of members of his family?
14 February 2010
14:4440579#15
Legally, it depends when the assets were transferred.
And Sue is right - it is way more complex than simply having two arms and legs and wanting to work.
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14 February 2010
15:0240582#16
You go to a railway engineering site weekends, Network Rail employing a bunch of Pole`s, who don`t speak a word of English, and there`s English youngster`s sleeping around because they can`t find employment? Something seriously wrong here methinks?
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14 February 2010
15:0440583#17
Really, Colin - it truly is more complex. Being homeless isn't all about not working.
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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14 February 2010
15:1740585#18
Bern and Sue, I`ve put money in for them, and the next minute, they`re round Somerfield`s getting a top up. I`m sure there are genuine cases out there, but if I was a genuine case, I may think about popping round the library and educating myself. I know it`s easy for me to say that. Again, I`m sure it is a complex problem, but my original posting was aimed at them squatting down in that subway, and I got sick to death last year, everytime you walk by, any money for a cup of tea? They`re not even honest, I didn`t know you get alchoholic tea?
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Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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14 February 2010
15:2240586#19
A super example of what I mean is the Big Issue chap outside Boots. I`ve started nattering to him, and he enjoys what he does and prefers it to hanging around doing nothing. I buy his magazine to help him out, and there is the odd item in it I find interesting, and just leave it at work when I`ve finished with it. Always a cheerful smile as well.
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14 February 2010
17:1240593#20
Once we have given someone something it is no longer ours and we forgo the right to control what it is spent on. People are complex and fascinating - we cannot afford to expect others to hold the same priorities as us. As for homelessness, most people experiencing it would rather not, but so many factors play a part: mental health, job loss, relationship break up, alcohol, drugs, abuse - any and all many be a factor. It is not our place to judge - without knowing everything about someone how can we? - but to support. Support doesn't mean being soft or being stupid, it means doing what we can to offer alternatives, support and care, and human warmth. Not easy!!!
