11 August 2010
17:3564972#1
I have been interested in this subject for a while and would like to here youre views ?
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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11 August 2010
17:3964973#2
Over the ages, the 'UK' has been both sub-tropical and under glaciers... I say no more......
Been nice knowing you :)
11 August 2010
17:4464975#3
I agree Paul but i believe that reson and the rapid progress being made in China and India not to forget the USA things will be getting worse not better . The predicted global birth rate is a worry .
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11 August 2010
17:4664976#4
Best statement I've heard about global warming - in the Medieval Warm Period (950-1250) Greenland was so warm that the vikings colonised and farmed it, without the help of 4x4s.
Global warming and global cooling will always happen and there's nothing we can do about it.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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11 August 2010
17:4764978#5
managed to delete the other 3 threads mark.
that is the thing that bothers me, there are too many humans now on the planet and also in our country.
there is just not enough land to grow the food required if we continue breeding at the present rate.
personally i blame chris precious.
11 August 2010
17:5064979#6
Surely the population surge must be a part of this , there were far fewer people on the plannet back then ?
11 August 2010
17:5264981#7
In a nutshell, "NO".
What we do have is climate change that is no different now to what it was many years ago. Always has changed, always will change.
Just yet another excuse to bleed us dry with more taxation in a "green" plan designed to appear that it`s all for our own benefit. The whole thing is simply a massive stitch-up.
I could write pages on this but will leave it to someone more adept.
11 August 2010
17:5364982#8
Thanks Howard my computer has a mind of its own . I do worry what the plannet will be like for my grandchildren ?
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11 August 2010
17:5364983#9
Modern humans have been around for a few tens of thousands of years, give it a few more thousand, we will be gone, the planet will recycle itself and live for a few billion more years. We are a mere blip on the radar.......
Been nice knowing you :)
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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11 August 2010
18:0464988#10
I agree that global warming is part of the natural cycle and not created by mere man.
11 August 2010
18:0864990#11
Thank you for all youre oppinions as the years go by i believe it will be hotly debated by all polititians .
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11 August 2010
18:1464992#12
As John says at #7, we could write pages on this and get nowhere but confused.
The thing that annoys me is that climate prediction is an amazingly complex problem that scientists use a fantastic amount of computing power for in generating theories, but politicians worldwide have just jumped on the CO2 effect as it's something that can be taxed and used to control us - it's not simply a straightforward relationship between CO2 levels and rate of warming, and there are arguements that can be made for increased CO2 levels being a good thing.
On a lighter note I saw a very good argument that global warming was due to lack of pirates. The people putting it forward had collected reports of pirate activity over the last couple of hundred years and plotted a graph against global temperatures and there was a straight line. The great thing is over the last few years there has been some evidence collected that temperatures are going down, at the same time that pirate activity in the Indian Ocean has increased, proving the theory. All nonsense of course but making the point that we shouldn't make simple assumptions about complex problems.
11 August 2010
19:4365000#13
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11 August 2010
20:0265006#14
We obviously must have an effect on the climate of this planet through destruction of rainforest`s and a few centuries of pollution, I don`t think you can argue about that. Forget politician`s and the gutter media, read learned magazine`s on the subject from respected scientist`s. Climate change is a natural phenomenon, but we may have speeded things up slightly.
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
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11 August 2010
22:1765046#15
Where can one buy a Venus file trap Mel?
I have lots of files I would like to catch.
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
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11 August 2010
23:2265049#16
My own feeling matches several comments above quite closely. Climate change is a natural, cyclic phenomenon that has been going on for millions of years. In geological terms we have just emerged from an ice age and will, no doubt, have another one in the future. In the meantime the human race has evolved and spread itself across the face of the planet. In the very recent past we managed to increase our population exponentially, become "civilised" and develop technology based on burning things in a short space of time. Our effect on the planet is, at best, minimal and Mother Earth will correct the balance of nature in her own way and in her own good time. In the process the human race may well be destroyed and become just another bunch of fossils in a layer of rock.
Of course, we may just get blown out of existence by our own stupidity or some natural disaster - such as the planet being struck by an asteroid or Yellowstone Park blowing a few million cubic miles of rock into the atmosphere before the normal climatic cycles get us all. Whatever happens we'll all be long gone and future generations will probably wonder what all the fuss was about.
Phil West
If at first you don't succeed, use a BIGGER hammer!!
Ross Miller
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11 August 2010
23:4465053#17
Much of the evidence suggests that we are seeing a general increase in average temperatures across the globe, and as such it is reasonably safe to assert that there is global warming. What is much more in dispute is the role that we, mankind, are playing in that. My own view is that human activity probably is making a very minor contribution, but that contribution is not statistically significant and the warming we see is principally down to natural factors.
Of course this does not mean we should be doing nothing to reduce our impact on the natural world and the resources it offers us.
It is important that we find ways to manage the following and quickly, otherwise we are all in trouble
a) energy production
b) use of fossil fuels particularly oil and gas which are important feedstock for the pharmaceutical and other industries
c) water - whilst there are still huge quantities of potable water in the globe it is generally not where it is needed, also where water is not a scarce commodity huge quantities are needlessly wasted through poor infrastructure management and mindless over use.
d) food - worryingly India and china are rapidly moving away from mainly vegetarian diets towards a more meat oriented western diet which is perceived in these countries to be a sign of affluence. Unfortunately, rearing livestock for food is an incredibly inefficient way of delivering protein and other dietary requirements and is hugely wasteful of water and land resources.
e) population - the growth in world population is unsustainable (see c & d) particularly when coupled with increasing life expectancy and improved healthcare globally
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
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While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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12 August 2010
07:5065061#18
Eminently sensible Ross.
One of my concerns though, is similar to a previous posting about Governments all over the world - but especially ours (or rather the previous one) are now jumping on the band-wagon and taxing everying and calling it a green tax - but will mainly use this extra money as a general income.
We've had 8 ice-ages so far and man has played little or no part; I think our biggest problem is population; maybe we ought to take a leaf out of the Chines book and limit the number of children to two per family.
Our own country is already full up with people - many more and our whole fabic will be destroyed.
Roger
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12 August 2010
08:0465068#19
Roger
I think the Chinese have limited offsprings to 1 per couple.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
12 August 2010
08:0765070#20
But they are allowed as many abortions as they want.................................
