Keith Sansum1
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Today we see that the figure of 300,000 being quoted of those still waiting to be returned home,
No doubt our barryw will blame gordon brown , but in reality the conservatives have been in office for 2 years and promised in there pre election to solve these problems.
In reality there has been no change in fact the situation has got worse.
quotes from the home affairs committee is that the situation is out of control, and needs urgent review.
The border agency unable to cope.
Fears that to get the figures down the conservatives might introduce an amnesty.
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Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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"9. Difficulties of removal.
Quite apart from the extensive legal and practical difficulties of removing people against their will, the Government has almost no capacity to remove people who are neither foreign prisoners at the end of their sentence nor failed asylum seekers. The Government claim to be removing an immigration offender every 8 minutes is deeply misleading. This number includes those turned away at the border. The number actually being removed after entry is about 1,000 a month or 12,000 a year (excluding foreign national prisoners). Meanwhile, the number of visas issued has risen rapidly in recent years to over 2 million a year. The Government's removal capacity is less than 1% of this number. Therefore, unless over 99% of those granted visas leave when they are supposed to, despite the absence of any checks, the number of illegals in Britain will climb every year."
From...
http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefingPaper/document/162Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i believe that there have been cutbacks in border agency staff which doesn't help the problems.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Keith - really!
They should never have been allowed in in the first place. Secondly, your Human Rights Act stands in the way, the worse piece of legislation ever to be forced through the Commons standing in the way of kicking them out.
Gordon Brown's fault? Only collective responsibility, those responsible are all those who voted Labour in 1997 for letting that shower in.
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I have just read the piece linked to below and it indicates that Howard's point is the valid one.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/ukba-caseload-control-000455535.htmlIgnorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Theres only one solution and we all know what it is.
Unfortunately useless politicians wont grasp the nettle
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Are you saying that those who allowed our borders to be opened up in the first place and brought in an appalling piece of legislation have no responsibility for the situation Tom?
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Perhaps, Barry, what is needed to suit your own peculiar needs is for the implicit to be made explicit, and that a statute should hit the books formalising, "One law for the rich and another for the poor."
In your own drive to tempt the wealthy of drought stricken foreign pastures to luxuriate themselves within these shores you neglect to account for their accompanying caravan of lesser mortals.
What legislation do you mean? The Human Rights Act, or one or more of the many treaties our elected representatives have signed in the course of our membership of the EU?
You can blame who you wish, be it Plato for his Symposium*, or Adam and Eve or the great prophet Zarquon**. I suppose it all depends on how difficult it has been to shift the blame in the past.
*
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symposium_%28Plato%29
**
http://hhgproject.org/entries/zarquon.htmlIgnorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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I'll have a couple of the pills Tom takes.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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lets now see if the conservatives realy have any answers
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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they all have the answers keith, just not the will and/or courage to act on them.
Guest 715- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Halfway through their term, I would not hold your breath Keith!
Audere est facere.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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My point exactly martin
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Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Keith you mention the tories but you know Labour would be as bad if not worse, it was them that stood at the border waving them all through
Brian Dixon
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barryw,poppycock.if the torys kept there election promice and played devils advocate they would have cleared the system by now.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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people hide behind the human rights act when it suits them to do so.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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my point howard,a goverment with guts would have shifted the lot,and not dilly dally and blame the last goverment.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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I dont honestly know what we can do with the ones here, nobody knows how many there are, but I do know what to do from hereon.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I'm sure we all have a view on what should be done David.
My view is that as we are members of the EU, we are tied to the EU rules on immigration; this is even more reason to leave the EU and we can then set our own rules on immigration.
When people come into Britain, whether at an airport or ferry port, the immigration officers know what country he/she has flown/sailed from; they should ask him/her what their own country is and if he/she refuses to say, put him/her back on the first plane or ferry back to where that plane or ferry came from.
They should also advise them that if they commit any crime that warrants a prison term, they will spend it back in their own country and not be allowed back into the U.K.
It is and has been, a complete shambles; I heard/saw the new immigration minister on TV this morning and I thought he was useless - and I'm a Tory.
Australia and New Zealand each have a strong border force agency and they don't let these rubbish people in, or any drugs, illegal food or those breaking the terms of their visas. There is an afternoon TV program on, called "Nothing to Declare", that shows they do not take any nonsense and if people cannot go in, they're sent back straight away, no holding them for months or years, like we do, but then they don't have the EU strangling them.
Roger
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i don 't think this is about eu immigration roger, more about asylum seekers and those from outside the e.u.
even those fully entitled to come here aren't checked for criminal records.