IF YOU WANT YOU CAN HELP TIO STOP THE CULL OF BADGERS
- 6 May 2013 14:42228347TB or not TB
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6 May 2013 14:45228348aha the one that sliped the net. - Keith Sansum1
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6 May 2013 23:30228391Scientists have also stated Badgers are not the cause so lets get it right firstALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 31 May 2013 10:55231625"The noises made by shot badgers and comparisons with harpooned whales will be among the measures used to assess the humaneness of badger culls in England, a government document seen by the Guardian reveals."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2013/may/30/humaneness-badger-cull-judged-noiseIgnorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing. - 31 May 2013 11:14231631Horrific.
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31 May 2013 12:54231651and little evidenceALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 1 June 2013 22:13231805The issue is Bovine TB, not Badger TB. Surely all ethical courses of action stem from that fact.I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
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1 June 2013 22:45231807From this site http://www.defra.gov.uk/animal-diseases/a-z/bovine-tb/vaccination/cattle-vaccination/
"Developing effective cattle TB vaccines is a high priority for Defra. Since 1998, we have invested more than £23 million on research and development on cattle vaccines and associated diagnostics, and over the next 4 years plan to invest a further £9.3 million."
Scientists have spent all that time developing a vaccine and then the preferred Defra solution to Bovine TB is to kill thousands of innocent badgers rather than inoculate the cattle, total madness.-----------------------------------------------------------------------
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1 June 2013 23:15231808jan
this is becoming a habit
I agree with you again lolALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 5 June 2013 10:12232254Blame intensive farming for TB in cows, not badgers
"Why do humans demand milk from cows? Two million of these poor milk machines are artificially inseminated yearly, their calves taken from them soon after birth so the dairy cows can spurt out a liquid humans wish to steal. These poor cows get a host of diseases because they are being pushed to their physiological limit.
Sara Starkey
Tonbridge, Kent "
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2013/jun/04/intensive-farming-tb-cows-badgersIgnorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing. - Brian Dixon
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5 June 2013 14:06232271she must be a veggie then,or evan a vegan at worst. - 12 October 2013 10:31247965"The present pilot badger cull has spent £2m to kill 800 badgers ('Badgers to blame' for cull failing to hit target, 10 October). That is more than £2,000 per killed badger. I am a vet, trained and licensed to go out to trap and vaccinate badgers. A badger needs to be vaccinated only once in its life. I microchip the badgers after vaccination, so in the following years I don't spend expensive vaccine (at £17 per badger dose) unnecessarily. My role is to place the traps, set them and vaccinate the trapped badgers. Once I have placed the trap, volunteers or landowners can place bait (peanuts) in the traps at night and check the next morning if bait is being taken. Once the bait is being taken, I come and set the trap at night, check them the next morning, and vaccinate the trapped badgers.
Charging for an average of five visits per vaccinated badger (which is very generous, often two is enough) the cost of a vaccinated badger comes to a maximum of £200. For this cost you create an area of a vaccinated, stable badger population around farms. The microchipping also gives you yearly information about the number of badgers present, where to find them and where they go.
One of my observations, for example, is that in places where people told me "there were dozens of badgers everywhere", there were actually the same five badgers turning up all over the place. I honestly hope that these pilot culls will help to determine that we need a proper badger vaccination campaign, with farmers, vets and the Badger Trust working together to help to resolve the bovine TB problem in cattle and wildlife.
Mariette Asselberg
Kidderminster, Worcestershire..."
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/oct/11/vaccinating-microchipping-badgers-cheap-easy-effectiveIgnorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing. - 12 October 2013 10:43247968a bit more on our stripey friends here.
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12 October 2013 10:47247970just wondering if they are exporting the badger skins to france,to make sporins for the French scottish persons. - Jan Higgins
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12 October 2013 10:56247972If the figures in Tom's post are accurate they make a complete mockery of the cull when comparing the cost never mind my abhorrence that so many badgers are being killed.
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------------------------------------------------------------------- - 12 October 2013 11:09247974My#92 Is a copy of a letter in today's paper. Part of the reason why I give a link to the same thing is because there are often additional links embedded in the text to the the original story to which the letter writer is responding. The; ('Badgers to blame' for cull failing to hit target, 10 October), being one such. Reproduced below, under its headline(s)
'Badgers are moving the goalposts' says Owen Paterson of cull*
Cull branded 'farce' after marksmen seek extensions to kill the minimum number of badgers required
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/oct/09/badgers-moving-goalposts-owen-paterson-cull
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http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/cartoon/2013/oct/10/steve-bell-badger-cull-cartoonIgnorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing. - 12 October 2013 12:00247975Some facts from a very interesting website - http://www.tbfreeengland.co.uk/vaccination/
These are just some extracts, worth going to the website for a full read as it also gives reference to the original scientific research on which the statements are based.
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Vaccination won't work on an animal that already has bovine TB, and no country in the world where wildlife carries the disease has eradicated it in cattle without tackling it in wildlife too.
There are calls for cows to be vaccinated against bTB.
However there is no legal vaccine available. Currently the only option is the BCG vaccine (Mycobacterium bovis Bacille Calmette-Guérin).
The problem is that at present it is impossible to distinguish between a BCG-vaccinated and TB-infected cow. And for this reason it is currently illegal under EU law to vaccinate cattle with the BCG jab.
The science suggests the vaccine is most effective in very young animals, and less so in older subjects. Young badgers spend their early weeks in the sett, making it impossible to trap and vaccinate them and putting them at risk of infection before they emerge.
There is also no evidence as yet which shows that vaccinating a proportion of the badger population actually results in a reduced risk to cattle.
An oral bait vaccine is likely to offer the most successful route forwards. But this option is still some years away from becoming a part of any badger control plan, because there is no licensed or proven oral vaccine currently available.
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13 October 2013 17:10248103so we go on killing without evidence, or raly making a difference
and other animals not dealt with in same way
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26 January 2020 17:58361137Boris probe follows Carrie-badgering:
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/jan/25/court-probe-carrie-symonds-influence-boris-johnson-badger-cull
Un-fun fact: other cull zones are available (43, I believe)'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus - Captain Haddock
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26 January 2020 20:54361141Just found this thread.
Grow up all. It's not the Wind in the Willows.
Cull the Badgers.
Save the hedgehogs.
Cut TB.
End of."The world is still a weird place, despite my efforts to make clear and perfect sense of it".
Dr. Hunter S Thompson