House of Lords
- 27 June 2012 17:47180267House of Lords
We are paying 800 of these people £300 a day
Should we abolish it ?? - Brian Dixon
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27 June 2012 17:50180269where would they go to have a kip in the warm kieth,at least it keeps them of the street oh and they are suporting themselfs as well.
- 27 June 2012 18:00180272Apparently the public are not concerned at lord's reform.
But £300 a day for showing your face, that's a very big benefits payment
Not much austerity in this place - 27 June 2012 18:24180275don't know of anybody that thinks the present situation is fair other than posh barry of course.
current proposals are that they are paid an annual salary of £.40 grand. - Keith Sansum1
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27 June 2012 21:16180308it needs urgent reform
but now those naughty lib dems didnt support the tories recently, leading tories are now saying they wont support reforms to house of lords put forward by the cobbled together govtALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - Brian Dixon
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28 June 2012 07:49180331yep reform is good,might as well give them 500 quid a day and a sleeping bag with tent space on the green out side.rent and council tax 500 quid a day. - 28 June 2012 15:14180379It is true indeed that you just have to show up to claim your £300 per day and many in fact do actually that. They have lunch in the restaurant there, shuffle about a bit, then bugger off home... I've had lunch there in the very restaurant myself mingling with the mighty or should that be mingling with the almighty!
It's a bare faced cheek but it has been going on for so long hardly anyone takes or indeed took a blind bit of notice anymore, then with a leap and a thrust up jumps super modern day non-hero Cleggy himself, and he has taken it upon his shoulders to instigate reform.
But does anyone care, basically no. The public yawn at the mention of it all, and other MPs from both sides of the House are trying to save us from woebegone economic misery and care not a fig for reform at this time.
Once again Clegg has failed to take the population with him, proof that he exists in a social westminster bubble of his own making, a bubble that lies unreached and untouched by the ordinary real concerns that the hard pressed family has to encounter everyday.
An elected House of Lords is the cry. But heavens who is going to turn up to vote in such an election. It is a difficult job already getting people to show an interest in politics, only something like half the population bother to vote at a general election, what percentage would show up to vote for Lord Duffer of estuary airport in the Thames or whathaveyou.email: dover7@msn.com - 28 June 2012 16:05180386300 quid a day for signing on must mean that they are the true elite greedy pigs.
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28 June 2012 16:09180387beats going to the jobcenter once a fortnight for a measly 68.50 a week. - 28 June 2012 16:37180399The House of Lords fulfils a vital constitutional function and are part of the checks and balances that we have.
They do not sit every week of the year and not all members attend every day. That is why a daily allowance is the appropriate manner to remunerate them and it is not a large sum. That £300 is only two hours of my charge-out time, less than that for most solicitors and accountants as well as most IFAs. True they do not have the massive regulatory costs and other business expenses we carry but even allowing for that it remains a modest figure for an important job.
Consider Gordon Brown, he is paid a base salary of £65,000 as an MP plus expenses. In the 12 month period after the May 2010 General Election he:
Made one Committee appearance, made one speech, asked 8 parliamentary questions and voted 27 out of 236 times. His daily rate probably works out at over £30,000 not £300.
Just to update that - he is set to make his third Commons appearance since the election. Now that really is a scandal.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2011/11/24/gordon-brown-rare-commons-speech_n_1112182.html - 28 June 2012 17:11180404Cuts Barry 800 non jobs, they should all get the sack, you cannot justify benefit cutting and austerity and leave this over spend going.
The public won't the lords gone, but they know their isn't a hope of this ever happening.
Give them a referendum on abolition, and this house of ant democracy and crones will be gone.
We pay parliament we shouldn't have to pay for this lot to.
If these people are so talented and good for the country, let them present themselves before the electorate for entry to parliament - Keith Sansum1
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28 June 2012 19:45180442So paulb
it appears there is a mood to do away with the outdated lords.
reform if put in the way above £300 a day against others cut back
maybe get a different answerALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 29 June 2012 10:49180500I think they should leave it at it is. It seems to work quite well to me and there are far more important things to worry about. Just another crazy lib dem idea.
- 29 June 2012 11:40180511Keith (B) - these are not 'non-jobs', very far from it, as I said they play a vital reviewing role in our constitution. Look at history, even recent history, you can see what a vital part they have played. We would be a lot worse off now without the HoL.
Colin - you are right, if it works, leave it. The HoL works well and is actually on the scale of thing quite cheap compared to the commons. - 29 June 2012 12:00180514House of Lords past it`s sell by date decades ago .....lets move on...
- Brian Dixon
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29 June 2012 14:49180526along with the monarch and the hangers on. - Keith Sansum1
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29 June 2012 17:28180555agreed brian and regALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 29 June 2012 19:23180578Barry theirs 800 of them! Haw can you support this.
Maybe the conservative MPs refusing to support the liberals on lords reform,
Ends the coalition?
We could see elections and a labour government,
Liberals voting labour
Conservatives voting ukip.
Latest YouGov/The Sun results 26th June CON 34%, LAB 42%, LD 11%, UKIP 7%; APP -36 - Keith Sansum1
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29 June 2012 19:31180579probably what will happen keith (b)ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 29 June 2012 20:28180595Please behave you two # 14 is always right........