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  Dave, BarryW et al - you have all eloquently made the point of symbiosis. As someone relatively new to the business of business I am fascinated by its similarity to the tribes and eco systems I studied when younger. It is fascinating - sad if you like but there you go - to unravel organisational systems and management (which is, incidentally, how I make a living and therefore don't drain the State....) and make sense of them for others who are struggling to perform. The point it it needs to be symbiotic, not imbalanced. It is currently unbalanced and we are in the brown sticky stuff. It needs a re-balance!

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