howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#1
Controversial subject but the drug loving establishment are unable to accept that in some cases traditional treatments are more successful.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-37557083Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
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#2
For Heaven's sake Howard, it's 2016, so called 'traditional' and 'alternative' treatments, including homeopathy,chiropractic,acupuncture etc have no place in NHS provision.
If some idiots wish to spend their money on snake-oil then so be it but don't expect the taxpayer to fund people with lunatic irrational beliefs.
In the real world the only things that will actually make any difference to properly sick people are either surgery or pharmaceuticals i.e. knives and drugs (which makes one wonder why the population of parts of North London are not some of the healthiest on the planet since they seem to have more of both than most!)
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#3
Many years ago I injured my neck and the hospital put me in a collar and prescribed pain killers. After 6 weeks of this there was no improvement and someone recommended an osteopath which was considered to be weird at the time. After the second session of being pulled around I no longer needed the collar or pain relief. All that matters is whether a treatment works or not.
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Button
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
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#4
I self-prescribe gin and tonic for its quinine content - one just can't be too careful.
(Not my real name.)
Guest 1849- Registered: 12 Sep 2016
- Posts: 440
#5
The NHS has a page about penis enlargement, boob jobs are available at taxpayer's expense, now quack doctors are handing out treatment. Non medical staff are being paid astronomical sums yet waiting lists are growing.
Meanwhile a local teenage girl can't get cancer treatment in the UK.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,931
#6
I can understand there are times when penis enlargement and boob jobs need to be done but the same goes for many other cosmetic procedures being done on the NHS. I also have doubts about IVF being available on the NHS, if both parties are working surely they could save up for the treatment.
As Howard says if a treatment works why not use it, just because the medical establishment do not understand how it works does not mean it is wrong.
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 8,397
#7
Jan Higgins wrote:
As Howard says if a treatment works why not use it, just because the medical establishment do not understand how it works does not mean it is wrong.
Because it does not work. For most ailments we get 'better' anyway and our aches/pains etc would have lessened even without the interference of the ju-ju man.
We had a very good friend of our family when I was young who was a Christian Scientist and relied on her beliefs to cure her. She had cancer. She died.
My mother always described her as a good woman. I always described her as a very stupid woman.
The same goes for Jehovah's Witnesses refusing blood transfusions. Stupid.
Keynes summed it all up a lot better than I ever could. Get used to it.
"The world is still a weird place, despite my efforts to make clear and perfect sense of it".
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#8
If you start a treatment in pain and afterwards you are not then the treatment has worked - quite simple really. The young woman who treated me back in the 70s was Joyce Vetterlein, her surgery was her parents spare room in East Ham then, seems to be doing very well now.
http://www.londonchiropractor.co.uk/osteopathy/Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 8,397
#9
Yeah, right. This guy's also doing very well too out of the gullible and the credulous.
Loads of adverts for the likes of him in North London papers nowadays.
"The world is still a weird place, despite my efforts to make clear and perfect sense of it".
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#10
What on earth is "having sex in the Dream"?
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 8,397
#11
I'll PM you directly about that Howard. Don't want 'my tongue torn out by the roots' if you get my drift?
(Hint - It's part of the Master of the Ninth Arch inauguration
)
There are some on the forum, who being of a nervous disposition, might find a full description somewhat disturbing.
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Guest 1849- Registered: 12 Sep 2016
- Posts: 440
#12
The placebo effect has never been fully explained, probably never will be. If a person believes something is doing them good it probably will, anybody suggesting a few drops of water will cure serious illness is bonkers.
That's up to them, but no way should taxpayers fund these conmen.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#13
Seen loads of those Nigerian ones over the years aimed at the uneducated Africans that have migrated to Europe.
Alternative treatments are only used when the mainstream ones don't work. I done my back in just before Christmas and was prescribed Co-codamol for the pain and Valium for the spasms, both are only to be taken sparingly and for a short time. By April there was very little improvement so I Googled around and eventually found this American chap who recommended a series of exercises that would strengthen the back on a gradual basis. Felt an improvement within a week and was completely clear after three weeks.
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Reginald Barrington
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,261
#14
The biggest problem I see with the alternative treatment scenario that captain and David suggest is a few pence for a placebo or a few hundred, a few thousand, a few hundred thousand for trratments that are not physiologically required! Now I'm no accountant but I'm pretty confident which would make the public purse lighter and which would add pennies to my tax burden!
Roll out the sugar pills!
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