Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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#1
Or the God particle,
Over to you tom!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#2
hope tom understands it as most of us haven't a clue what is all about.
i have read a few articles and am none the wiser.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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#3
You sit, scientist that you are, upon the hill and look out over the sea...
You notice the waves, you see a yacht - it's sail bellied - as it moves from (say) right to left. You notice also that the grass about you and the very hair upon your head, also lies over from right to left.
How can this be so, you ask yourself. What is it about the grass, that it obeys the yacht, or what can it be about the yacht, that it obeys the grass?
An amiable fellow comes and joins you upon the hill. His name is Professor Higgs. He too has been wondering along the same lines as yourself...he has an idea.
His idea is: The is an unseen force abroad in the world that commands both the grass and the yacht, that orders just how these two separate things behave. It's his idea, so it's called after him.
Back in our 'real' world these same sort of things occur...
1- Please stick with it with this cartoon...
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap120501.html
2- A person explains...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/video/2012/jul/03/what-is-a-higgs-boson-video
The plush-carpet explanation, soft, warm and yielding and yet going from wall to wall... (covering it all)
http://www.squidoo.com/higgs-boson-for-dummiesIgnorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#4
thanks for simplifying it tom, i think.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#5
The God Particle
The God Particle in Science
Creation is of Intelligent Design, following an order which is absolute and does not tend towards chaos. Chaos is not the origins of order.
As order does not lead to chaos, all chaotic occurrence is but subordinate, temporary and limited in nature, and is by no means absolute.
Erratic Deviation from the God Particle
Randomness is a lack of intelligible pattern, but is not compatible with the God Particle of science, and has no part in Creation. Randomness in science is a deviation from the absolute Design, and will be resolved with ensuing harmony, which is in the absolute order of Creation.
Scientific Creed
The end result of the God Particle is Eternity with the Creator, from whom Creation stems.
From printed online edition
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#6
Oh, and the Earth is flat, and we were all born under gooseberry bushes.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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One of Stephen Fry's anecdotes has a philosopher discussing the flat-earth 'theory' with a lady. The lady asserts that the earth is flat and stands upon the back of a turtle, and when pressed as to what the turtle stands upon responds, "You wont get me that way professor, it's turtles all the way down."
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Brian Dixon
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#8
and not forgetting the storks involvement.
Guest 703- Registered: 30 Jul 2010
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#9
From the Mail (well it wouldn't be the Guardian, would it?
)
"Und zis is ze God particle magnified 10.000.000.000 times....OH MIEN GOTT!"
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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#10
Huh! Daft Mail, they don't know the difference between a Higgs Boson and Strange Quark.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#12
Peter, what on earth has your post 6 got to do with the God Particle?
Where does being born under gooseberry bushes, or claiming the Earth is flat (not round) come into science and Creation?
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#13
Having said that, you do realise that the vast majority of people in other continents, and also many in Europe, do believe in creation?
Have you ever been to an Arabic country, and do you know anything of their culture?
They firmly believe in Creation.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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#14
dohh,where do you think dubai is alex.france.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#13, I lived and worked in Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Kuwait and Dubai for 13 years. I can speak, read and write Arabic but not very well. I have read most of the Holy Qur'an in translation. In addition I regularly travelled to Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan, Qatar, and Oman between 1977 and 1999.
Apart from that I have no knowledge of Arabic or Islamic culture.
However I have had countless debates on religious and cultural matters with Arab friends over the years but I can not recall the subject of Creation vs. evolution ever arising. They do however have a prurient fascination with the concept of a Virgin Birth and reckon that Joseph was a bit gullible.
I reckon they would laugh their socks off at Archbishop Ussher's views.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#16
Interesting, Peter. But I think Arabic people generally believe in Creation.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#17
It's in the Qur'an. But it's also in the Jewish and Christian scriptures. It's only a lunatic fringe that takes it literally and most people treat it as a parable. I would bet that's also true of the Arabs.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#18
So that means I'm a lunatic, then
Ross Miller
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#19
Certainly if you consider that Genesis is anything other than a parable
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#20
So then what is the definition of a lunatic?
Are people who believe in God lunatics?
Genesis speaks of days, but the Bible also explains that, for the Creator, a day can be a thousand years. And that means, each day of a thousand years can be a thousand years. And so on.
And the Bible also says that, for the Creator, a thousand years can be a day.
So the question is, whether to believe in Creation is the belief of a lunatic fringe.
Is there any substantiated proof that Arabic people generally do not believe in Creation? Can we be sure that Peter is speaking with an infallible tongue here for the Arabic peoples?
