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Exciting plans for a major new housing development on the site of the former William Muge House and Snelgrove House in Dover on land owned by Dover District Council are going on display at a community event on the site from 10am to 1pm on Saturday 28 July - and your views are sought.
https://www.dover.uk.com/news/2018/have-your-say-on-plans-for-new-housing-development-on-william-muge-snelgrove-site-in-doverhoward mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Best not to get too excited as I stumbled upon those boarded up buildings four years ago, posted some photos here and we all conjectured what should happen to them. I didn't realise that DDC owned them so I do wonder why it has taken all this time to make them an exciting priority.
Chris- Forum Admin
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That's the spirit!
Button
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Looks as though the buildings couldn't be sold in 2011 so demolition was decided in 2013, with agent and cost consultant appointed (for a 7 month term) in March of this year.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Button wrote:Looks as though the buildings couldn't be sold in 2011 so demolition was decided in 2013, with agent and cost consultant appointed (for a 7 month term) in March of this year.
Sounds like a rush job to me!
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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If the hospital had been built in Maison Diue car park some of the land ie William Muge and Snelgrove would have been used for a car park,
Yes Howard they were sheltered homes for the elderly.The rules re Housing revenue have changed so now it is easier to build social housing.
Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
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This is a great initiative by DDC
Yes they tried to sell the land but no developer was interested as they felt they could not make their desired 15-30% profit margin on the development.
The fact that DDC have decided to self-develop the land should be welcomed as it has afforded them the opportunity to come up with a modern design and deliver much needed amenity space in the form of a "pocket park". Also as DDC are not looking for a developers level of profit they can "use" that money to deliver better quality units.
This is also an opportunity for real engagement with the community around these plans and is a chance for us to impress upon DDC that this is a model we want to see more of, or perhaps real co-development with the community.
Finally it is also am opportunity for the community to have its say on the management arrangements going forward; perhaps investing in encouraging a residents association to exercise the right to manage rather than giving it to EKH (especially given their recent track record). If DDC get this right it can then be used as an exemplar for other properties/communities to take control of their housing back from EKH.
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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Well said Ross
Karlos- Location: Dover
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It's a bit odd how some of those blocks of flats have been demolished and some have been left up.
In general though, I am all for any residential properties being built in the "town centre".
Richmond Park et al will do nothing for the town, except bring in council tax.
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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Karlos before demolition those buildings were sheltered housing ,They. Needed a complete refurbish.This scheme will offer much needed accomodation in the centre of Dover.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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From this week's planning applications.
18/00777 Erection of 3 dwellings (private sale) and 29 apartments (affordable housing) on former William Muge site and 9 dwellings (private sale) and 24 apartments (shared ownership) on former Snelgrove house site, with associated parking and landscaping (minor amendments to scheme including refuse bin enclosures to Leyburne Road frontage)
Former William Muge & Snelgrove House, Leyburne Road, Harold Street and Godwyne Road, Dover, CT16 1RZ
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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A few objections to the scheme on the planning page with some not liking the design and the usual concerns about parking.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Dover District Council
25 mins ·
We'll be on Harold Street in Dover from 1pm on Saturday (20 October) to update residents on the proposed redevelopment of the William Muge/Snelgrove site which includes plans for new affordable housing and a community area.
Karlos- Location: Dover
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Looks huge. Where's the castle gone?
https://goo.gl/maps/ariUVsqzBDnPablo- Registered: 21 Mar 2018
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It wasn’t there when the Google car came past either.
Karlos- Location: Dover
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If you go back to previous times the camera went by and the flats were still there, you could see the castle though.
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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Whether the Castle can be seen is irrevelant .Artisic Impression.Housing is needed ; It’s in the town centre and it’s replacing what became run down housing .
Weird Granny Slater
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The castle's hiding behind the smaller of those two trees on the corner. If you look on Street View and swing back a little you'll see it, above the flats in Leyburne Road.
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Karlos- Location: Dover
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Sue Nicholas wrote:Whether the Castle can be seen is irrevelant .Artisic Impression.Housing is needed ; It’s in the town centre and it’s replacing what became run down housing .
Why not make the building 10 or 15 storeys high then?
It's not in River, so it can be as big as possible? I suspect that was the main reason the Gateway flats were built so big.
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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No need for that comment .I apposed the flat scheme for St Radigunds.Horses for courses.
