howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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2 January 2009
20:4411967#1
does anyone know the result of discussions between the union and good old bobby goldfield
the local press rarely follow issues up
Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
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2 January 2009
20:5411970#2
The last news on the Unite web site was at the end of November
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While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Guest 672- Registered: 3 Jun 2008
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3 January 2009
10:2011999#3
As far as I'm aware the security side of things are being handed over to G4S on Monday the 5th, the mooring side has not been decided yet.
Ian...
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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3 January 2009
10:5512004#4
What's the latest Conservative position in Dover on DHB being privatised?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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3 January 2009
13:2612014#5
i very much doubt that you will get a reply on that one keith.
ian
that bit about security being handed over, seems rather quick.
do you know what training the chaps and chapesses have had for this vital work?
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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3 January 2009
13:3412016#6
howard - that is simply because the Conservatives dont have a position as such. Charlie has a view, I have a different view on the subject and I am sure others have other views. Such is life. It is not the Conservative way to define a 'party line' on local issues such as this that are outside the activities, policies and direct influence of the Party.
Keith knows exactly what the views are, he just like to stir, or at least try to.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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3 January 2009
13:3612017#7
Keith.
The blues are not saying alot of late about anything but my own feelings are they are still for the D.H.B.being Privatised but know if they say it that they will not get in at Dover ever.
Vic Matcham
Unregistered User
3 January 2009
13:5612018#8
Keith , my view has not changed. It is simple. The proceeds of privatisation go on roads & infrastructure directly into Dover. The town centre benefits from a major makeover. An annual premium is paid directly back into the community each year, Employees become shareholders as part of the project. Local people get preferential terms to apply for shares. Local board representation on any new organisation/company is mandatory.
We also quaranteed the pension fund.
That's what was on offer last time, I've yet to see the present system or any other better it.
That is my personal view & was offered directly at the last election.
As we know the result,it is history & frankly I have no regrets because I believe I negotiated a good package for Dover.
Other than cries about the French taking over or P & O & aversion to privatisation, I heard no one say they did not want what was on offer or any party offer the people of Dover or Port employees a better deal.
We [the people of Dover]got the proceeds & I had confirmation in writing from the Shadow S of State that the Shadow Chancellor agreed.
Embarrassed, I am not.
As I said that is still my personal preference, not Conservative policy, things change after every election.
I think Barry may be with me on this one.
Watty
Guest 672- Registered: 3 Jun 2008
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3 January 2009
14:4812020#9
Howard.
It will be the original work teams that have been there for years ( minus me ) under their present terms and conditions ( for now ). obviously they will bring in extras when required.
Long term is anyones guess.
Ian...
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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3 January 2009
17:0912024#10
ian
sounds like the union negotiated well, on the surface.
let us hope that it turns out to be long term.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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5 January 2009
08:2612099#11
So you have it lads and lassies of the Dover Harbour Board
Although not Conservative policy(cop out)
Barryw and Paulw both in favour of selling off Dover Harbour Board.
Most of what Paulw waned to achieve with the sold off silver, would have been lost in Govt coffers
not come to Dover and he knows it.
interesting though
But still using the cop out(well it aint tory policy!!!)
so if the public find out like they did last time they can change here mind and say oh yer its only my opinion.
Unregistered User
5 January 2009
09:4012107#12
Keith , the public did not find out , we told them. We held a press conference, Paul B was there & spoke directly to the Shaow S. of State.
It was pretty straightforward, no extra money for transport except if you can generate the money, then you can apply it locally. We even published the letter
I'm not sure what the value of silver is, if it is inaccessible. Pretty notional.
So what's happening now? Privatisation bit by bit but Dover is losing out on the benefits. Sounds pretty stupid to me.
I bet the longer your government stay in power DHB full privatisation will go ahead. The current financial mess means you need to sell assets, raise tax or cut public services [or All three]. The Post Office is an excellent example of this.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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5 January 2009
10:1612111#13
Yes they did find out, how doesn't realy matter, its the theme of privatisation ths the prob, not only DHB but also other companies.
Im not here to say its all the Tories fault, I don't like it whoever it does it(LABOUR as well)
UNLESS its of benefit to the customer/consumer which is rarely the case I don't support it.
Will be interesting to know the OFFICIAL conservative line on the SELL OFF of DHB
as theres so mny cop outs so far.
Charlie must be having nightmares.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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5 January 2009
10:5912119#14
I thought the grand plan of selling it all off was a good one as long as the funds stayed captured in Dover. Yes I remember the morning very well Paul. However I think the idea began to fall on stony ground around the town when local people began to doubt that the money would stay in Dover.There seemed no real way of guaranteeing this in the end particularly so as the Conservatives were in very weak opposition.It was the heady days of Tony Blair with high majority rule.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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5 January 2009
11:0312121#15
Paulb
And it hasn't changed it still cant be guarenteed
greedy governments of all political colours so this is not just tories(this time lol) !
Everyone needs a lot more convincing
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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5 January 2009
19:0812159#16
i think that the public did have doubts, it is was all too close to election day, just looked like a vote grabbing ploy.
secondly, the issue of collecting tolls from port bound traffic had been raised before, then it was found that all money would go to central goverment.
you can see why the public rejected it at the time.
Unregistered User
5 January 2009
20:1812168#17
Who said the money would go to central government?
Not the Shadow Chancellor.
The money for Dover did not come from tolls but a profit share element. i.e.Community Dividend.
It was certainly convenient for opponents to the scheme to peddle the myths.
Pluses:-
workers looked after[shareholdings]
Pensioners looked after [guaranteed pension fund]
Community benefit/annual income
infrastructure investment from capitol released
I accept we could not sell the story but the losses are Dover's .
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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5 January 2009
20:2512169#18
i think that you have misread my post paul(are you keith)?
i was referring to the previous idea of charging a toll to the port and money going to the treasury.
our public would not differentiate between this and your plan that was put to them just prior to an election.
Unregistered User
5 January 2009
20:4512173#19
Thank you, Howard.
Water under the bridge, anyway.
The usual Keith approach to life.
I thought public servants were not allowed to get involved in politics. Mind you , this is Keith after all . No rules apply.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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5 January 2009
21:4512180#20
the scare stories were a lot easier to peddle Paul....