Guest 693- Registered: 12 Nov 2009
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#1
I don't for one minute condone racism on any level; the very concept of racism offends my very soul. As a paradox, though, I have to say that I do understand why anti-Islamic sentiment is prevalent, and why membership of the BNP continues to grow.
The video that this link leads is overtly anti-Islam, but the speaker makes an articulate and well presented case as to why building a mosque very close to Ground Zero is an affront to the memories of the people who died in the terrorist attacks of 9/11. I must stress that these are not my own views, I believe that we should try to get along with all humanity irrespective of race or religion - but as long as our own sensitivities are not being represented by our own people in Government, the sentiments in this emotive video will be felt by more and more people.
Do not click onto this if you're offended by anti-Islamic rhetoric, it's stirring stuff.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/06/pat-condell-on-ground-zero-mosque-is-it-possible-to-be-astonished-but-not-surprised.htmlTrue friends stab you in the front.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#2
The extremists guilty of 9/11 do not represent Islam as a whole, something we must remember. But yes, a mosque in such a place is in questionable taste to say the least.
#3
Andy,
'I don't for one minute condone racism on any level; the very concept of racism offends my very soul.'
Biggest laugh I've had in years! LOL.
Nice one.
Still laughing.
Bob.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#4
there were many muslims in the twin towers that day, still not very sensitive to build a mosque there though.
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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#5
Both interesting and sickening Andy. The U.S.A. is today a very strange place indeed. One comment gave a good comparison for us to see the sick side of it. `Like building a nazi war memorial next door to Auschwitz`.
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
Guest 693- Registered: 12 Nov 2009
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#6
Sorry, Bob, I'm not with you......how was that funny? Do you know me, then?
True friends stab you in the front.
#7
Sorry, Andy, I am constantly worried by pupils of mine who think that 'racism' is the worst crime in the world.
I was not not all sure why you had prefaced your posting with your denial of racism?
Is this a pre-requisite before we are now allowed to comment upon anything? Where did race come into it? Bob
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#8
You are right Bob.
race is not mentioned, only religion and that crosses races.
#9
Andy, if you wash to get serious watch this:-
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#10
I think that Andy`s comments on racism was simply just a case of getting in first. Lets face it, there are a lot of people out there that start throwing the "racist" jibe at you the second you mention ANYTHING to do with Islam or Muslims etc.
They have obviously been conditioned along the old PC path and are more worried about upsetting ethnic minorities than standing up for our own culture and people.
I daresay the penny will drop when it`s too late!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#11
sadly the case is as bob said earlier, racism is percieved by some as the most evil thing in the world.
immigration is never discussed because the accusation of racism will be thrown out.
john is right about islam, people can say what they like about the catholics and anglicans but never islam.
i squirmed yesterday when a blue mp suggested a bill to ban the burkha, the only two politicos that spoke on the matter on the box
damian green and caroline spellman(both government ministers) intimated that would go against any ban.
in fact today i heard norman baker of the left wing yellows supporting the ban.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#12
The Burka is nothing to do with religion, only culture. True of the headscarfe as well up to a point. Many decent muslims do not adopt either.
I hate seeing the burka on British streets, it is not our culture and simply does not belong. It really does rankle with me as it is clearly making a political statement as well that I find provocative.
That said I really cannot justify a banning of it as it is no place for a government to instruct how people should dress.
That said, it would be reasonable for the government, indeed all employers, to enforce a dress code on their employees that excludes burkas (and even the headscarfe, though that is less objectionable). Certainly where people in ordinary activities are invloved in situations where identity is relevant should be required to display their features as well.
#13
"That said I really cannot justify a banning of it as it is no place for a government to instruct how people should dress." Yes there is - it is up to society (Big Society) to set standards and boundaries - we don't go shopping naked or wear a bikini to a funeral, we don't expose ourselves on the bus and might expect to be arrested if we did. How we present ourselves matters - not the run of the mill stuff like should we wear a jacket or not, or have bare arms or wear a hat (sorry Sue!) but intimidating apparel is quite rightly outlawed. There are laws against intimidation, of whatever form, and anyone who has walked down a London Street being approached by 4 burkha wearing women (probably) stretched across the pavement will understand what I mean!!!
Guest 672- Registered: 3 Jun 2008
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#14
I watched the video that Andy supplied, I found it very interesting and Pat condell had some very good points.
I don't think I'd better say any more. That word racism and PC sticks in my throat.
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#15
barry
i find the burkha as offensive as the balaclavas worn at a paramilitary funeral in belfast or londonderry.
many shops where i used to live did not allow anyone wearing the burkha into their premises because on 2 occassions men used them to commit armed robbery.
in all cases the shop keepers were of asian origin, mostly muslim.
#16
I think I might find 4 Hell's Angels or 4 Hoodies "stretched across the pavement" a bit more threatening than someone in a burkha. Yet, there is no call to ban biker or hoodie wear. I hope we're not getting paranoid about this?
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#17
Howard - walk down the street you could get done for indecency. Walk down the street in a bikini or just a pair of trunks and you will get odd looks and many people including myself will disapprove but it is not illegal.
Social pressures are one thing, the law is another.
As I say I detest seeing the burka in the UK, disapprove of them and would (and have) given disapproving glares at anyone so dressed but using the law to ban it is another matter.
As I say employers should adopt a dress code for employees that bans it at work, that is quite reasonable. Likewise banks and other situations where identity and communication are essential should also disallow it on their premises, again quite reasonable.
Needless to say that any employer than does what I say will come under attack from the loony left pc crowd for racism.... tough, time they were put in their place.
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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#18
Barry, is it Howard you would disapprove of in a bikini walking down a street, or a girl? I certainly wouldn`t disapprove of the latter, so it must be Howard, for which I`d be in total agreement with you.
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#19
thanks for that colin, though i must admit i would find it difficult to look in the mirror too.
incidentally the spanish government are now going down the same road.
the right wing(i.e. blue barry) are proposing a ban and the socialists(i.e. bern and marek) are backing them.
i sense a message there.
#20
Hey - I am in excellent company! Hurrah!
