16 August 2009
20:3027385#41
Remember, as Marek says, who is supporting the NHS. The NHS has many thigs wrong with it, most of which centre on its management and the bloody targets set by this government. That, in conjunction with the appalling training nurses get and the utter eejits who are now deemed fit to nurse creates a poor service. BUT at least we are not fearful when we are ill, we do not worry about how we might pay the bills, worry about how our family will cope with the invoices, stay away from the doctor for fear that we will end up in debt. that is what happens in the USA. DON'T LET IT HAPPEN HERE! we can cure the NHS if we face it head on, but we need to value it before we do that.
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17 August 2009
06:2827396#42
I agree with your comments there Bern and as many of us have said, we do support the NHS fully, but it isn't just money that needs chucking at it, it needs running differently - smarter, more efficiently and better training, or just better quality people.
Roger
17 August 2009
06:5327402#43
Absolutely! There needs to be a real and authentic overhaul to set it right, not just a tweak here and there and let the eejits mis-managing it carry on in a different office with a new PA. It isn't just the money thrown at it, it's the resources that are wasted and the inapporpriate targets and people who inhabit it.
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17 August 2009
08:2727406#44
I see that the imaginations of the left wing/anti-conservatives here are running wild.
The NHS is desperately in need of reform but one thing that the Conservative Party is wholly against is changing the principal that medical treatment is 'free at the point of delivery'. The intention must be to make it more efficient and more responsive to patient's needs.
Marek - you and others who speak so 'knowingly' about the Conservatives are so far out of touch with reality you might as well be speaking Chinese.
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17 August 2009
09:4627413#45
BarryW
There is no known language as Chinese..there's Mandarin,Cantonese and various other dialects..boomboom.
What I deplore is a Tory MEP self seeking publicity hound appearing on US coast to coast TV knocking the UK's NHS when hundreds nay thousands of people lie in hospital beds in pain,awaiting operations,recovering or dying from an illness or injury.Whilst the hard pressed workers who are carrying out tasks like wiping other peoples arses are being belittled by a parasite that claims over £200k on expenses for attending a parliament in Brussels.He makes me sick to the teeth and is not fit to clean my fathers boots who spent time in POW camps who struggled fought and killed to reach this country and spent 11 years in an Air force protecting it.My father would never have uttered a bad word about his adopted country or the health service that brought his 6 kids into the world.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
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17 August 2009
11:1127417#46
He is a first class MEP, a conviction politician, who rightly critisised NHS system, not critisising the individuals who do a great job in often difficult circumstances. There is a big difference.
Neither, incidentally, was he suggesting the American system here, there are better ways of 'doing health' in continental Europe.
The NHS was one of the first of its type and has never been allowed to adequately change and adapt as a result of experience, because it has been fossilised by knee jerk over the top reactions to any critisism, accompanied by scare stories motivated by politics. That is why the system is no longer fit for purpose. Note, the system is what I speak about.
The day the Conservative Party does not have room in its ranks for individualistic and independent minded MEPs/MPs/Councillors who speak out will be the day it is no longer the Conservatve Party. Dan is in the tradition of Churchill and Disraeli.
Ross Miller
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17 August 2009
15:3427426#47
Barry there are indeed other ways of delivering healthcare than either the US or UK model, of course we should review and evaluate these alternatives to see what elements of those systems work and could work for us here in the UK. We should also look at how these systems etc. are funded and whether they are solvent or not.
I like many other posters here am all in favour of a rational reasoned review of what works and what doesn't and what we could adapt and/or adopt for our NHS.
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
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17 August 2009
15:5827430#48
Glad to hear you say that Ross, there are some posters on this thread who seem to be saying any critisism of the NHS is wrong or that there is something somehow wrong about having independantly minded politicos speaking out.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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17 August 2009
16:5827436#49
you have got hold of the wrong end of the stick barry.
everyone knows that changes are needed to take the nhs forward, it does not need mavericks making a name for themselves, that does not help any debate at all.
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17 August 2009
18:1727440#50
On the contrary, howard. Its often mavericks who highlight issues that others prefer to hide under the carpet. They are not always right but we discourage such people from speaking their mind at our peril. Incidentally, Dan made a name for himself over his tackling Brown with some home truths, this is merely one of many matters he has raised. This is not the first time he has said this kind of thing about the NHS either. The fuss is being made by primarily Labour politicians jumping on his words and spinning them during the silly season.
Lets face it, why should what he said cause so much fuss? He is a backbench MEP, not even an MP, he has no more influence over Conservative policy than any backbench MEP and less than virtually any backbench MP. This whole thing is a storm in a Labour spin machine tea cup.
Among the many other matters, perhaps more mainstream, that he has raised include local government finance and our relationship with the EU. I have mentioned these before.
Brian Dixon
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17 August 2009
19:1227448#51
what about the other mp or mep all so having a go,certanly gave dc a rather red face.and talking of dc his apology was empty,as a matter of fact it was so empty it was bottom less.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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17 August 2009
19:3527450#52
i thought that the main fuss on this issue came from david cameron?
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17 August 2009
20:3527455#53
MAREK
What a wonderful post you make, it appears you are(unlike Barryw)grasping the debate and with full concerns for the NHS future.
It isn't just about these silly remarks made by this MEP but other tory MP's have joined in agreeing with him.
HOWARD
I think the cracks in A D Cameron armour are starting to appear, can he(or is he willing)to take on the right within his party?
If the answer is yes, and he does, will the right let him survive as leader?
I do feel up to now D.C. has been like Blair into sound bites,
going to be an interesting few months