howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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There could be a return to them with many associating them with social mobility, can't say I hold a strong opinion on it but my bet is the debate will get heavy.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37002495Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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Labour and LibDems certainly have a chip on their proverbial shoulder about them. I went to a grammar school up in London back in the 1950s and I was from a very ordinary non privileged background definitely not middle-class as my father was a salesman.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Working class kids in the 60's heyday's formed only about a quarter of grammar school intakes my worry if they make a big return that the same situation will apply and the best teachers will gravitate towards them leaving the dross to teach the other children.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/theresa-may-grammar-schools-lift-ban-education-bring-back-grammars-no-champion-of-social-mobility-a7177216.htmlBrian Dixon- Location: Dover
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my youngest daughter had an option of going to grammer school,but chose not to in the end.
Guest 687- Registered: 2 Jun 2009
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I too went to Grammar school( but not till I was 13, putting me 2 years behind everyone else) and hated every moment of it , but I would not deny anyone the opportunity of going to one. The opportunities and experiences I had were far better than those of my contempories who I left behind at comprehensive school.
Having selective education at least gives a choice to be made by parents and pupils and Kent should be applauded for giving that choice.
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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Agree with you Ken.I think we should still have the old tec schools. What puzzle me is Councillors ,MP s e.t.c.vote against Grammar schools and hate private education but send their children to these.
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Guest 687- Registered: 2 Jun 2009
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Tech schools were a great advantage to those who possessed practical abilities and they too should be reinstated Sue as you said.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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I am curious to know why Brian's daughter turned down the chance she had, I suspect her friends were going to a Secondary Modern school and she didn't want to be seen as different.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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that was one of the reasons howard.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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The argument rages on with the Education Secretary against them and the Prime Minister prevaricating. A quick glance at the map suggests around a quarter of England's Grammar schools are here in Kent.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37303348Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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We need Grammar school should not have got rid of them in the first place,
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Not got rid of any in Kent as far as I know, in fact KCC are planning to build a new one in the West of the County.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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I was going to write something on the subject but the excellent Rod Liddle has done it all for me!
Quote 'I’ve cited plenty of scientific evidence before suggesting that both dyslexia and its lumpenprole counterpart ADHD are now so overdiagnosed as to make both terms almost meaningless. Dyslexia usually means just thick, ADHD usually means vicious feral halfwit.'
I love this man!
http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/09/how-can-we-help-thickos-at-university-pretend-theyre-clever/Guest 673, howard mcsweeney1 and Reginald Barrington like this
'If no one went no faster than what I do there'd be a sight less trouble in this world'
Guest 1819- Registered: 22 Aug 2016
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A strange quote from somebody who purports to be intelligent.
My Nephew has ADHD and although perhaps not super intelligent, is very practical and hardworking. He is far from being a halfwit and is not feral or vicious.
I think before you write on the subject you should choose your words carefully, you almost sound like that idiot Bob Frost.
Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
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He probably isn't one of the overdiagnosed ones Dave.
unfortunately the article is very close to the truth, having worked in a special needs school for over 10 yrs we regularly had student statements overturned and reassessed for overdiagnosis of specifically ADHD and ODD it certainly upset a lot of the parents who had fought for the diagnosis, often a case of "he who shouts the loudest"
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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I think in the future there will be more cases of ADHD. I see all the times parents intent on their mobile phone ignoring their babies/toddlers. If they are not interested in them when they are very young and great fun they will be totally disinterested later.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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dave b, the important word was 'overdiagnosed'. Doh!
A bit like the rising number of 'disabled' unable to work when jobs require fewer and fewer to do jobs which require physical fitness.
(BTW. I write as one with two very close family members who are unfortunately 'properly' disabled)
https://fullfact.org/news/have-disability-benefit-claims-trebled-20-years/'If no one went no faster than what I do there'd be a sight less trouble in this world'
Guest 1033- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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I was reading a comment a few days ago about 'walked her down the isle', and this was only one amongst a few basic errors in the piece. Nothing wrong with that, you may think, but I looked up the profile of the author(ess), and she boasted (?) in her profile of having a degree in English and Drama. Surely that can't be right ?
Guest 1849- Registered: 12 Sep 2016
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Grammar schools are over subscribed, parents love them.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Parents of academic children are in favour of them not so sure about other parents.