Keith Sansum1
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At the moment it looks like the goverment is at loggerheads with the police,
very differing points of view between the 2 bodies.
in the interests of the country lets hope they resolve the differences very quickly.
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Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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I think relationships between the police hierarchy and Downing St are at something of an all time low. Things were cool anyway, but Cameron contacting the American police no tolerance guru has really caused the relationship to hit the buffers.
Top Cop Sir Hugh Orde is clearly a straight talking tough man who can take the flak and dish it out, his bullet proof demeanour achieved after many years in Northern Ireland where you have to be tough to survive.
We recently lost other top policemen following the hacking scandal, and we probably shouldnt have lost them, can we afford to be without high calibre guys like these, but the police now currently are clearly not in a mood to be buggered about by politicians claiming credit where none is due.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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PAULB;
Your correct paul, i think the two are at serious loggerheads, and the police are ready now to fight back,
facing job losses, low morale, view that being treated unfairly,
plus much m,ore
probably not the best time to decide to take the police on
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Jan Higgins
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Too many top brass cop egos have been dented by the backlash on the riots, they should be open to ideas from all those who have dealt with gangs even if they are from a ten different countries never mind one lone Yank.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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I think the superintendents rep today gave a good interviwew this morning
stating
there is a lot of police expertese withn the UK no need to go outside the UK
Also cameron has said hes proud of his UK police force
and in the next breath he's going outside the UK
as this police guy said, its double speak, and loses the confidence of the every day policeman.
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Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Photo of looters proudly displaying their rewards from a night of plundering.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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"The police need to know they have strong support," he writes. "They need to feel it from politicians and public alike."
They lost the unconditional support of much of the public when they abandoned the old-fashioned community policing model and started cruising around in cars.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
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I think they actually introduced the Community Policing model with the introduction of PCSO's and Neighbourhood Policing teams.
Audere est facere.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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That was very recently. I'm talking about a generation ago.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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was a good move in my book, people like having them around.
they definitely need more powers to be effective though, this is down to indivdual chief constables at present.
people also need to know what they can and cannot do.
Guest 715- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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2002 Police reform act, so not so recently.
Audere est facere.
What about having simply ordinary coppers on the beat? No need for extra powers, or for confusion about roles, or for anything else. A few admin support staff, some decent coppers on the beat, and some seniors with integrity. Or is that too radical?
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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BERN/HOWARD
I won't try to get back into this are P.C.S.O's worth keeping or not, but will again add just some views to help the debate
The role of the P.C.S.O. was introduced to bring communities together, in the main this works well.
I'm not sure what extra powers howard thinks P.C.S.O.'s should have, but if it's to many and you then have a cheap policeman, but worse they lose the respect of the community.
P.C.S.O's do an important job in working with communities, gathering information, and being the eyes and ears of the police, also by befriending communities those that cause communities problems will open up to P.C.S.O.'s which they won't to the general police force.
It has worked well because of the style being used
lonf may it continue
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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disagree with most of that keith, nobody seems to know what powers they have at present.
if they could issue on the spot fines for anti social activities or arrange for vehicles causing obstructions to be removed they would gain more respect in the community.
We don't want cheap or faux police, we want the real thing, who are more than capable, if they are good coppers, of doing the community liaison stuff.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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I did outline the powers some time ago
i dont disagree with your comments
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Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Hackney comes together.
Post riot clean-up, party and comment. [a pdf of our local 'council sponsored' rag.]
http://www.hackney.gov.uk/w-hackneytoday.htmIgnorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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BERN
Sadly those pcso's looking in probably wont be happy to be seen as ineffective, when in reality they do a fantastic job.
that said we have been over and over this and need to look sat what it is we want from our police service.
one thing they are not is the only people who can solve problems, they are one of many agencies guilty of not doing so at times.
that said the police in general have a difficult task, on the one hand we have mr cameron talking tough but with little action
and on the other the police attempting to hold the whle thing together.
community policing without a shadow of doubt works, and if we move away from this model we will end gong back to the days of them and us, something we needc to avoid.
after the riots we now need all agencies to work together to get to grips with what is going on.
many police forces across the country are doing sterling work in communities
if we have a heavy handed approach a lot of these communities and the trust in them with the police will be lost.
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Guest 688- Registered: 16 Jul 2009
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Would not the concept of P.C.S.O.have been developed by this Government to try and save money,if it had not already been introduced.
