Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
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Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 8,397
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'It argues that the Sands are the graveyard of .............................. military aircraft crash sites".
And twinned with the Bermuda Triangle?
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
#3
it is a war grave bob.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 8,397
#4
Don't be silly. It is as much a 'war grave' as the Thames Estuary and most of the Eastern English Channel.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
#5
not to be desecrated then, full stop.
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 8,397
#6
And we also stop any trawling from Selsey Bill to the Hook of Holland?
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Dover Pilot- Registered: 28 Jul 2018
- Posts: 350
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Captain Haddock wrote:Don't be silly. It is as much a 'war grave' as the Thames Estuary and most of the Eastern English Channel.
If you just take WW2 it is the location for the highest number of RAF spitfire MIA's. Hardly surprising as it sits below the last bit of airspace before our homefront.
Regardless, the Marine Conservation designation has nothing to do with its war grave status. I find it hard to believe th government are going to sit back and watch DHB dredge up their environmental claim. Considering DWDR has mostly been paid for by the EU and we are still waiting for a single 'local' job creation, I have no concerns about the EU paying a bit more for some reputable sand!
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Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,931
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There are war graves in so many places it is difficult to say which is more special than another. Having said that it is the grave of so very many sailors of numerous nationalities who have perished there because of those sands for centuries.
The landmark Goodwin Sands are a natural 'oddity' for want of a better word which are well known to anyone that knows of the English Channel, how many other places have you heard of like them that is a cricket ground when tides allow.
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Guest 2547- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
- Posts: 2,158
#9
Some sensible comments as opposed to fatuous comparisons.
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Reginald Barrington
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,261
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Dover Pilot wrote:Considering DWDR has mostly been paid for by the EU and we are still waiting for a single 'local' job creation, I have no concerns about the EU paying a bit more for some reputable sand!
I worked there for a short contract near the start of the project and I have 2 friends working on the ground and another in the offices, all Dovorians, so i believe the word is b#llsh#t!
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Arte et Marte
Dover Pilot- Registered: 28 Jul 2018
- Posts: 350
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Reginald Barrington wrote:I worked there for a short contract near the start of the project and I have 2 friends working on the ground and another in the offices, all Dovorians, so i believe the word is b#llsh#t!
And these are full time jobs created by the DWDR project, employed by DHB and which are not contract or zero hours?
Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,261
#12
Office job is i believe DHB other two are not, but obviously as DHB do not yet own the project and cannot dictate who the main contractor employs, also I just remembered 2 of the security guys are local 1 Dover and 1 Folkestone.
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Button
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,109
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Dover Pilot wrote:Considering DWDR has mostly been paid for by the EU
Can you substantiate that?
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Pablo- Registered: 21 Mar 2018
- Posts: 614
#14
My neighbour is an electrician who has been working on DWDR full time for about 6 months.
Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
- Posts: 3,709
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As far as I am aware the EU (InterReg III Fund) monies that DHB had believed were earmarked for the port were withdrawn when they changed the plan from a ferry terminal to a freight terminal; as the latter does not meet the fund requirements
I understand the cost of the project was met almost entirely through commercial borrowing/bonds
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Guest 2547- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
- Posts: 2,158
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I honestly don't know regarding funding but DHB have mounted a plaque somewhere along the prom (I think) which acknowledges the EU contribution. Hard to imagine why they would make a public statement to that effect otherwise. Of course, it could have been photoshopped because I saw it elsewhere online.
Karlos- Location: Dover
- Registered: 1 Oct 2012
- Posts: 2,599
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Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,261
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"VSBW is really proud that almost half of employees on site live within the East Kent catchment area, and even more impressively, a third of all employees on-site live within the immediate area of Folkestone, Dover, Deal, Sandwich and surrounding villages (25 miles)."
But not a single local job creation!
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Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,261
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Ross Miller wrote:I understand the cost of the project was met almost entirely through commercial borrowing/bonds
I think there was an earlier EU grant for the transport infrastructure phase,
But the only EU funding now is a EIB loan of 75 million.
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Dover Pilot- Registered: 28 Jul 2018
- Posts: 350
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Reginald Barrington wrote:I think there was an earlier EU grant for the transport infrastructure phase,
But the only EU funding now is a EIB loan of 75 million.
EU funding:
£6,396,086 to remove improve the roadways around Dover Harbour.
£18,900,000 for Maritime and civil works – including new quay walls, dredging, land reclamation to create additional freight vehicle capacity.
£23,450,000 for Financing of refrigerated cargo terminal in Dover and relocation of cargo operations to initiate port-centric distribution and utilise empty backloads.
Plus the £75m EIB loan.
I think the EU can stretch their purses a bit for some reputable sand.
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