Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#1
"Many Roma live in desperate poverty and suffer higher rates of sickness and illiteracy than the national average."
"The Kosice wall is the eighth such project to arise in eastern Slovakia since 2009, and the fourteenth in Slovakia as a whole."
"The authorities in the Slovak city of Kosice say they are taking legal action to remove a wall separating Roma (Gypsy) families from majority Slovaks."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23767036
Why is an EU member state creating ghettos of racist segregation and hatred?
Perhaps we can better understand why so many Romany people are fleeing to Britain, because they are victims of segregation and hatred at institutional level in some other EU member states.
Do the fifty million pounds a day we pay to the EU also get used to finance the construction of ghetto walls in Slovakia?
Are we witnessing the proto-elements of a future ethnic cleansing in Eastern Europe, and are we paying for this, and is the British Government just keeping silent?
Indeed, does any party in Parliament even bother mentioning this?
When will the British Parliament stand up to these despicable acts of racist discrimination and persecution operated in some EU member states?
Brian Dixon
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#2
would hess/gorings final solution be the answer then alex.
Guest 1033- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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#3
Of course it wouldn't Brian, but don't you think that institutionalised racism is a bit extreme ? This is the legacy of the Soviet government from during the cold war, we never heard anything of it because of the way the state controlled the news, but I was having a chat with my mate's wife who is a Roma from Germany, and her family was persecuted during World War 2, and they still suffer some prejudice even now, and thats in a fairly civilised place, Cologne.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#4
I have met very few Roma but the ones I have met were all charming. I had a long talk one evening with one chap, now a French citizen, whose life's work is the translation of the works of Voltaire into Romanian.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#5
the persecution is in reverse after dark on the folkestone road and snargate street.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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#6
One can certainly see afar off from atop one's high-horse.
Way down here, one cannot see far at all...for all them walls across the streets of NI.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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#7
not really barrie,i was poseing a question to alex.but a lot is made about rommanys over the years.in the 50s and 60s there a lot of them working the farms and then resting up some where over the winter months.they caused no harm and had there own trasport/living acomadation.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i wish the ones round here worked on farms and had their own living accommodation.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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In reply to Brian's question, if you read the article in post 1, from BBC, the walls of shame in Slovakia started going up in 2009, which is about six years after Slovakia joined the European Union.
It has nothing to do with the Soviet era, Barrie.
Since 2009, 14 such walls have gone up in Slovak localities, the latest being in the city of Kosice, which has 240,000 inhabitants and is Slovakia's second city.
Because the Slovak government and municipal authorities have been allowed to get away with it from 2009 in smaller towns, they have hence proceeded to do the same in Kosice, a very large city.
I assume that the Roma in these ghettos are denied fair access to hospitals, clinics, dentists, schools and other social infrastructure, including shops, as they cannot pass the wall that cuts them off, unless they go the very long way round and through the designated gate - if there is one.
This is institutionalised ghetto racism in a European Union member state:
locking an ethnic group of people up and denying them access to basic infrastructure.
Brian, rather than Hess-Goebels (I assume you meant Goebels, as Goering was the commander of the Luftwaffe), why not just keep to "the EU", in defining the culpable system.
Now back to my original question in post 1:
Do we pay for these racist discrimination policies - such as erecting walls to cut off Romany people from basic civil infrastructure - when we pay £50 million a day to the EU?
Is this money we pay to the EU systematically denied to Romany people and given only to "racially clean" peoples.
And my other question was:
Is this the beginning of ethnic cleansing in Eastern EU Europe?
(Ethnic cleansing usually starts by locking people up in confined areas and depriving them of basic civil rights).
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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#10
alex,just read the article you put up,intreasting as it may be its being delt with as I type.legal action has been touted by the eu.
Guest 1033- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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#11
Tom, I'm not on a high horse, I was answering Brian's question, which basically asked 'should we gas them?', as was the case with Katya's grandparents. Northern Ireland is a sectarian problem, not a racial one, and I think there is a massive difference between the two circumstances, or are you saying we should take the walls down and gas the catholics/protestants ?
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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and a good answer to,the other question is what to do about it and when.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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I certainly hope civilised Britain and civilised continental countries demand that the Slovak authorities take down ALL walls of institutionalised ethnic segregation and discrimination.
I wish to know whether the tax I pay - some of which goes to pay the EU £50 million a day - is systematically denied to Romany people and used only for people "living on the right side of the wall".
I object to my tax being used to discriminate against Romany people living in their own country and their own towns and villages of origin. These people have as much right to live in Slovakia as any other Slovak.
We in Britain don't segregate British Romany people and don't inflict ethnic discrimination against them.
We don't build walls around them denying them fair access to civic infrastructure.
We take in people from other countries and grant them access to our social services, and here we have some DESPICABLE authorities in Slovakia taking OUR money and then building walls around their own people on account of their being of Romany origin, denying them fair access to town and city centres and to hospitals and schools and general facilities.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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hang on a minute alex,the same thing is happening in the middle east,between Israel and palastine.
Guest 1033- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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Ah, Brian...you should never compare anything to Palestine. How any country can get away with treating another like israel does to Palestine in the 21st century is beyond comprehension, but it gets away with it year after year, with hardly a murmer in the press. Zimbabwe is a similar case, this country's government voting whether to get involved in a civil war in syria whilst British citizens are being killed in africa.
This is why I don't trust politicians, there are too many things we are not told by them, and how do you get the question asked ? Go and see your local MP ?, no he's too busy trying to decide whether he's in favour of exploratory drilling or not, or rather trying to remember which answer he has to give to the next person to keep them happy.
I think we should bring the subjects of Palestine and Zimbabwe up regularly, just to see if anyone on the forum has an original thought on the subject.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#16
If we're talking of Palestinians, then take for an example Syria:
Syria allowed hundreds of thousands of Palestinians to settle in Syria and never built a wall to segregate them from the rest of Syrian society.
Similarly, Syria took in hundreds of thousands of Iraqi refugees fleeing persecution and daily bombings in Iraq after T. Blair's intervention there, and never built a wall of segregation separating these people from the rest of Syrian society.
Syria did not build walls to segregate Sunni Syrians from Alawite Syrians, or Christian or Shiite Syrians from other Syrians.
Now my question is:
should the British Parliament just sit back and allow the authorities in an EU member state to quietly get away with locking up their own citizens in walled-off ghettos on account of their ethnic origin - people whose forebears have been living in Slovakia for many hundreds of years?
Is it right for Slovak Romany citizens to be denied fair access to civic infrastructure in their own country through the erection of a wall blocking them off from the rest of the town or city they live in?
And are we paying for this?
Guest 1033- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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Alexander, of course its wrong, but we're back to the old, old story, no politician will do any more than pay lip service to this problem as its not a vote winner. UK politicians don't care about the indigenous population of the UK, let alone Romas from a place they have possibly never heard of.
Jan Higgins
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#18
Barrie sorry but I have to take issue with a small part of your post..............politicians care about us at election time when they desperately want our vote.
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Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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#19
Barrie, what I said was not a response to you.
All I was saying was that perhaps instead of (anybody, or maybe the author of this thread even) pontificating on how things are done afar-off we may learn something by considering how communities within the UK live;together yet apart.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#20
Tom, as we give £50 million a day to the EU - mainly to the Eastern EU - should we close our eyes to racial discrimination in some of these countries?
Just say "yes", or "know", without any paraphrasing, please
