4 January 2009
10:1212057P.S. If you want to see how a positive force can grow from horrific beginnings, a Can Do attitude, a determination to improve things and a courage beyond the norm, google The Peace People which is a group who sprang directly from the Troubles in the '70s and have morphed and grown.
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4 January 2009
18:4212066bern
i never thought that i would see john hume and gerry adams mentioned in the same breath.
5 January 2009
10:0812110Brian Dixon
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13 January 2009
21:4712768acording to the6 oclock itv news956 palisintnans have been killed 400 of that numer are women and children compared 13 isralis 3 of that number are civillians.it looks like the isralis might be brought to the hauge eor war crimes if thi massacer carrys on.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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13 January 2009
22:4812771there does appear to be targets that they have aimed for purely to strike terror into the population.
the red cross and the un have given positions of their treatment centres and painted the tops.
it is heart breaking to see the pictures of terrified children next to the corpses of their parents.
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13 January 2009
23:3312775On balance I am supportive of Israel. They are surrounded by enemies and fighting for survival. Hamas and their allies, the Iranians, have declared their aim to obliterate the state of Israel. There can be no such thing as an over-reaction in such a situation. The rocket attacks by Hamas on Israeli civilians deserve a forceful response and the fact that they hide their launch sites in civilian areas should not be allowed to stop the Israelis, after all Hamas dont care less how many Israeli civilians they murder. It is right and proper that the Israelis use all appropriate force to defend their population.
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14 January 2009
00:0112776i am talking about the human side on this issue.
the political and nationalist stuff is irrelevant when we see atrocities committed.
mr milliband said today that that both nations will always be neighbours, it is up to them whether they learn to get along or be permanently at war(roughly).
14 January 2009
08:2512780The human side is tragic. Barry is right politically, though - Hamas actually gain,, in a calculated way, from their own civilians deaths in terms of publicity and PR, and that should not be forgotten given that they place their rocket launchers right in the civilian areas and use civilians as human shields. And those countries surrounding Israel have a stated aggressive aim of annihilating Israel - what would you do?
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14 January 2009
08:4312781Indeed Bern- the human side is tragic.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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14 January 2009
14:4112795barryw,in the last 21 days 3 yes 3 isralies civilians have died through hamas rocket atacks as compared to nearly 500 civilians on the palistianian side,so your argument that hamas is killing isralies is null and void im affraid to say.you only have to look at the true facts and figures with an open mind to see.
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14 January 2009
17:3412803The Israeils are responding to regular rocket attacks on their civilians. Hamas situate their launch sites and military infrastructure in civilian areas using them as human shields. If Hamas did not launch rockets at Israel then there would be no need for Israel to respond and, if they avoided civilian sites for their infrastructure, far fewer Palestinian civilians would be killed.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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14 January 2009
18:4812807hamas is not the problem barry,the only thing that gets up there nose is that no one reconizes them as a governing body.israil is backed by bush who has no love for any arab state or muslim controled country,apart from that bush could have stoped this weeks ago by saying yes at the un council.
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14 January 2009
18:5312808Brian - Hamas are a terror organisation backed by Iran who have openly declared that they want Israel wiped off the map. To suggest they are not the problem is absurd. The election of Hamas meant that unless they changed their ways and looked for a more peaceful accomodation instead of targetting Israel with rockets this retaliation was inevitable.
What on earth would you do if you was Israel, sit and ignore the bombardment? One sign of weakness from the Israelis and their many enemies will take advantage of it leading to an even bigger tragedy. Israel are doing what they need to do for survival.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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14 January 2009
19:0412810if israel reconised them in the place and started talking to them they woudnt be in this situation now.like most states around them they talk and come to a deal and live peace.iran is not supporting them its lebinun to the north that are backing them as news reorts have stated over the last week or two.i cant reliticly see iran shelling northern israel when they are south east of them.
15 January 2009
09:3012851Look to the hidden agenda: Iran et al have stated that they want to rid the planet of Isreal - the rest is smoke and mirrors. It's not abour recognising anyone or any group, it;'s about several groups needing to obliterate another group, full stop. No amount of recognition will change that. Genocide is genocide, whichever way you look at it, and that is the stated aim of Hamas, iran and the others.
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15 January 2009
10:3912857Well said Bern - that's it in a nutshell.
Roger
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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15 January 2009
13:4712870well if you think killing over a 1000 people is justified then ok but there again i dont.weather hamas is a terror group is another,they were willing to talk to israel and other parties in the past but im not to shore now.
15 January 2009
20:0412885No killing is justified, legal or otherwise. I think it is important to understand the full picture in order to to make effective plans and limit the damage.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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15 January 2009
20:2512886the damage is already been done bern,what with the un aid wharehouse being shelled thus upseting the un council and the kids know suffering shell shock and are now mentaly scared for life.
15 January 2009
21:4912898Jews would understand that fear.
