Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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#21
I am not crying about how badly off we are, I am moaning about it. Actually I am sick to death of being told that we are all having it rough, frankly its B---s.
Your statement to Paul #8 about 50p tax "No-one is pleading poverty who is hit by that rate in any sense" makes nonsence of saying we are all suffering. The phrase collateral damage keeps springs to mind.
Not that you will take any notice but I have much sympathy for small businesses and the more that go under, the worse off we will all be.
Also, I have said it before and I expect I will have to keep repeating it, I do not think upping the tax rate is the answer but I do believe that if everyone was made to pay what they legally owe in tax, that would be a better starting point than hammering our old and disabled.
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#22
For the forthcoming budget, see "make do and mend" thread.
It will be the usual penny-pinching, putting up the price of tobacco.
Tobacco should be placed down to £3 for 500 grammes, people would be less stressed off buying it, and probably smoke less.
A decent budget announcement would see Parliament's top-hat dispensed (the upper house) and an emergency tax on rich people (not companies),
#23
I didnt read Gary Cs post as" crying about how badly off you are " but a factual breakdown of his situation .
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#24
thought it was just me sarah, i found the comments as rather shallow and callous towards people struggling to get by.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#25
It reads like a whinge to me Sarah.
You would say that Howard... have you ever run a business with an income that can fluctuate significantly and able to take for yourself only whatever is left (or part of it as next months cashflow concern is always there)? I do not try to claim to be hard up, far from it, but I have been through extremely tough times in the past and taken a lot of risks to get where I am after spending 22 years building a business. I get sick to death about people moaning about the level of their benefits and if that is callous then tough, so be it. They should be grateful for what they get, other countries are not so overly generous. Perhaps they should have made insurance provision when they were able to do so. That is not a dig at any particular person by the way, a more general comment of the appalling benefit culture we suffer from in the UK where people choose to fall back on taxpayers rather than provide for themselves.
Brian Dixon
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#26
barry,i started this thread about the budget,not the 50p tax band or the rights or wrongs of benifits.what ever people are entitled to on benifits its theres to use for what ever purpose,wether its for gary and his wife [medical grounds etc] or jsa.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#27
actually i have barry, try not to be condescending.
manners maketh the man.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#28
Barry, the budget will not be about 50p rates, but about tobacco.
I may add it might also be about increasing the price of alcohol drinks, while at the same time complaining that some young people tend to get drunk at the weekend.
So the answer: increase the price, cash in on it, problem solved.
If, and I mean if, G. Osborne presents a budget in which he is not taxing tobacco and alcohol far beyond the inflation rate, I'll be mightily astonished.
Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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#29
Blimey I knew that Cameron was a socialist at heart, what with his obsession with policies which come from the labour manifesto circa 1978 but his mansion tax plan really takes the biscuit nes pas?
#30
I didnt readGary Cs post as a whinge , neither do I apply that description to your post about running a small buisiness .In content they are very similar , If one is a winge then for me both are . If one is fair comment them again both are
I saw both as two people with differing experiences saying how it is for them.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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#31
Yes well said there Sarah...we really are going to have to do something about unpleasant postings that are uncalled for. The time has come to look into the situation and maybe introduce stringent measures. We were hoping people would moderate themselves ..as Howard spends a lot of time out and about getting stories and pictures etc and Im doing the frontpage chasing stories and items for there with ever increasing admin, this we really need to do to keep Doverforum as a whole running good.
We were hoping people would help out by making sure their own postings are not aggressive and off-putting to everyone else.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#32
That was just reasonable disagreement PaulB....nothing personal...
Anyway - I mentioned the appalling benefit culture we have here in the UK for a reason, because that is tackled as part of my blog today.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#33
Barry, I think calling someone in straitened circumstances a whinger is somewhat personal, in my opinion you owe Gary an apology for that.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#34
Actually Peter, reading back over the exchange - the word whinge was inappropriate, specifically in relation to Gary. But was accurate in a more general sense of what we read a lot today. Badly expressed and for that yes I apologise accordingly to Gary.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#35
Thank you Barry. Aimed at Gary it is particularly inappropriate as he has done so much for the community and can in no way be considered a lazy sponger, although I think we all share your disdain for those who are.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#36
I totally accept that Peter, regardless of any disagreements.
Guest 656- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#37
Well said Peter #35 and pleased to see BarryW's apology to Gary. As PaulB has said, the team at Doverforum work hard to maintain this site for everyone and respect for each other is paramount.
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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#38
BarryW.
Apology accepted.
I support and feel for small struggling business such as you, I have said that many times before.
My post #18 was about how the budget will affect people in the same stream as me. Nothing in that post was a dig at you.
To stop any more confusion, don't confuse my post's with what you read elswhere and I will promise to name you if my comments are directed at you.
My post was factual statement that I believe I am entitled to share with the forum.
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"