Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
That made me spill my tea!!! (Not a euphemism...)
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Ray, Peter and Bern, what some MPs do or don't do in terms of political parties is not any business of mine.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Guest 703- Registered: 30 Jul 2010
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Carswell is pushing either his luck or has decided the threat of him leaving for UKIP gives him a bit of leeway to be critical -
http://www.talkcarswell.com/disqus.aspx?id=2325#disqus_threadGuest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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UKIP's problem was putting a lot of energy into attracting Tory heavy-weights over.
Why attract spent ammunition when they could have tried for local participation from the People?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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alex
any smaller party needs big names to gain credibility with the public.
once they get the vote catchers on board then local participation increases.
Guest 703- Registered: 30 Jul 2010
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Alexander, you had a local candidate at the last general election, rather spoils your argument!
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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I don't agree with that, Howard.
When people change from one party to another (unless they have their own party), they tell the public that they are party-jumpers, and the party that courts and then promotes them high above all others tells the public they need these people to put the cause forward.
Whereas a genuine one-timer doesn't get the chance to have a word. So when silenced off, they'll give up! That is where much sincere good will is lost, when simple people don't get a word in, but a party-jumper wallops along and gets hosannered in high.
Also, at an election, people know how many parties a candidate has been in, and in the name of how many parties they have been candidate.
What UKIP don't realise, is that a sincere person joining a party, if allowed to have a word, will be enthusiastic, but once that is done away with and exchanged for a couch-surfer who changes party and gets put at the top, what remains is an artificial house of cards.
Open the door and it will fall down.
Does anyone ever see UKIP in Dover or Deal talking to the people about the eurozone crisis, or unemployment, or immigration? No!
All the parties we have in Britain are establishment-based, undemocratic in nature, and punctuated on not letting common people say their word.
Do it a few times and people lose interest!
And running after the heavy weights of other parties is just the wrong message to put over to the masses, and in particular to the sincere members of your own party.
Guest 730- Registered: 5 Nov 2011
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I'm not a financial expert but this article in the telegraph this morning makes a lot of sense to me:
http://tinyurl.com/d8usu58howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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normally i would agree with you about turncoats but in the case of blues jumping ship to ukip it is about the one issue,
in most cases they have promised their constituents that they would fight for a referendum so i doubt that the jump would upset most of those who voted for them.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Colin, practically everybody I have known in the financial markets has been saying the same for over 25 years.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Colin - yes it certainly does make sense. The whole Eurozone structure is under increased pressure. Reality will hit home eventually.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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yet another twist in the tale, the dutch have a good credit rating but they are ordered to inflict austerity measures on their people.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/dutch-government-collapses-after-economic-talks-fail-7670130.html