Actually, this is just another example of someone hearing what they want to hear - you, Jimmy. Howard wasn't excusing anything, just setting your perceptions right.
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jimmy
are you being deliberately troublesome?
the issue is a simple one, you accused the "muslim brotherhood" of murdering the aid people, the likelihood is that a gang of thugs that have never seen the inside of a mosque done the deed.
you may remember the taleban gained their original popularity by protecting villagers in the countryside from these gangs.
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A Taliban spokesman, Zabihullah Mujahid, claimed responsibility for the deaths, saying that insurgent fighters found the aid workers with "Christian propaganda in their pockets" and that the foreigners were "trying to convert Afghans."
Gen. Kemtuz added, however, that he believed the aid workers had been robbed and murdered by common criminals, and not by the Taliban. He cited the account of the attack's lone survivor, an Afghan. "The survivor said that the robbers searched everyone's pockets first, took money and everything, and then started shooting," Gen. Kemtuz said.
Perhaps we should leave the matter there until further details are published rather than jump to conclusions.OK Jimmy?
Marek
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Dont be naive Marek. You are far to willing to believe the enemy.
The desire to wait for further evidence before jumping to conclusions is proof of naivety? I don't think so.........
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The Taliban are murderous religious fanatics. Their record speaks for itself.
One murderer is not automatically responsible for all murders. The British "innocent until proven guilty" is so important and far superior to any other principle, such as the USA lack of real ethics (in favour of process).
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Innocent until proven guilty is irrelivant Bern. We are at war and western 'liberals' are only too willing to listen to their excuses and propaganda.
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BAZ
It may or may not have been the teliban.
realy this should be about the poor lives lost
whether that be the taliban, or ordinary robbers
lets hope who ever they were they get caught
BarryW, I thought we had established that is wasn't "excuses" but caution, which isn't a bad thing. Jumping to conclusions can create more trouble than it solves. No-one, including me, would "excuse" those actions.
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the head of the charity said today that witnesses saw them being robbed of their cash and mobile phones, then lined up and shot.
tragic story, the english doctor had turned down lucrative private sector work to help out the poor and dispossessed of a poor country.
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hope the killers are all found
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Howard
I put that it my post 23* but was accused of being naive. The driver has been arrested on suspicion of helping the killers.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
I don't wish to appear harsh, but how stupid were these volunteers if rumour of Taliban shooting prove to be true?
In many muslim countries you DON'T take Christian material, it's a red rag to a bull, and many states actually warn visitors not to bring it with them. Arrest is the least one can expect. So, if they've been found with Christian paraphenalia about them, then they have been partly responsible for what happened.
I am not justifying what happened.
What I find interesting is that we, a Christian country, do not reciprocate the policy with hardline muslim countries. Anyone visiting from those country's and carrying into Britain the Koran should be arrested on the same grounds as they operate.
But, yet again, we are too soft.
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SID
IT'S about tolerance
I have no problem people preaching the Koran if thats there wish, as long as they dont ram it down my throat.
Keith, I sort of agree, but some nations do not practice tolerance on this particular subject, and this can lead to situations like we have just witnessed. Bear in mind even tolerant Arab states such as Dubai, Qatar and Kuwait, have strict rules on this.
Are we saying tolerance is a one way street?
More of a crossroads with a roundabout on the side, Sid. It encourages travel in many different directions.
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Sid,
Your thread has caused quite a response and that is always interesting but to go back to your point, could it not be just simply that you were asked your "ethnicity" for medical reasons, different ethnics have different problems? He or She probably couldn't give a monkey's where you came from?
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
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sid
there is no evidence that they were carrying any religious propaganda, it is only what the taleban leadership are claiming.
