Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
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So by gluing yourself to a road will help the environment.
Taking police away from their normal duties like catching real wrongdoers with help the environment.
Unnecessary travel together with the extra traffic fumes will help the environment.
I might have respected those involved if their protest had been held up in Westminster disrupting the lives of those who actually have the power to change things for the better. Annoying those travelling on their day off or possibly important business will achieve little and will soon be forgotten.
Ray and WGS I am sure that both those oldies have used the word idiot and worse lots of times when they have disagreed with their fellow oldies.
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Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 8,102
Weird Granny Slater wrote:Well said, Ray. That degree of historical amnesia is frightening, inexcusable and disrespectful to the ancestors upon whose broken heads and backs our relatively leisured living stands.
WGS you are a one!
I haven't laughed so much since Orgreave.
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Bob Whysman
- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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ray hutstone wrote:I guess the octogenarians and even the wheelchair bound nonagenarian who was arrested count as either idiots or St.Tropez loving hypocrites in your estimation. I applaud them for standing up for something they believe in and that will have its greatest effect on those who come after us.
[B]It's so much easier to rely on emotive language and simple solutions, isn't it?
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Why not just state the obvious solution?
Let’s go back in time to when I’m sure the activists of the day’s only environmental concerns weren’t just the bad breath of the dinosaurs.
Hang on, perhaps it’s just a blame game within the ageist regime!
In a more constructive state of mind Ray, would it not make bigger inroads into the problem if the activists abandoned their superglued protest and visited the countries that are causing much of the polluting problems (by rowing boat).
America and China readily come to mind, but of course there are many other countries that need to take action, as the UK in isolation would hardly scratch the surface.
They could also ban air travel, rocket launches, wars, motor vehicles.....the list is endless.......
Do nothing and nothing happens.
Weird Granny Slater
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
- Posts: 3,071
Dearie dearie me. What will you all do when your Brexit's stolen. Let it go?
'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
Pablo- Registered: 21 Mar 2018
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WGS perhaps we’ll all claim on our insurance?
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Brexit stolen?
(43 days to go!)
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
soon be christmas, will turkys get a vote.
ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
- Posts: 2,158
Of course the protest in itself won't help the environment. We both know that. That's just weak rhetoric.
You say the travel is unnecessary. Many would disagree. Would you have said the same about the suffragettes or any other national protest that obviously had to travel to meet?
Taking police away from normal duties? Presumably you'll be in favour of banning football matches or trying for once to enforce the ban on hunting with wild dogs?
I might be trying to explain colour to a blind man here but this movement is all about changing attitudes. Clearly there are some who understand this, hence the presence of people from all age groups and social classes on the protest. The scientific arguments are over. Only real 'idiots' like Donald Trump continue to insist that global warming has nothing to do with human activity and doesn't pose a threat to future generations. Anything that can be done to show a global recognition of the need to make radical changes should be welcomed.
Too many on here are part of the problem and not the solution.
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Pablo- Registered: 21 Mar 2018
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King Cnut believed he could control the tides, based on advice from his experts. Would it not have been more sensible to move his throne a little bit higher up the beach?
It seems to me that an ounce of adaptation here could be worth a lot more than a pound of cure. Next year I shall plant lemons and oranges on my allotment. In a few years, who knows? Bananas, pineapples? Dates, even?
Button
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,057
To be fair to our former king (and according to Wiki), Cnut is popularly invoked in the context of the legend of King Canute and the tide, which usually misrepresents him as a deluded monarch believing he has supernatural powers, contrary to the original legend which portrays a wise king who rebuked his courtiers for their fawning behaviour.
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Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
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ray hutstone wrote: Too many on here are part of the problem and not the solution.
Well I can't argue with that; not because I agree with it, but because it's stated as fact rather than opinion. You are right, so I must necessarily be wrong. I find that very scary, actually (and one can find other examples in the Brexit thread).
Given that one of the UK mainstream parties seeks to stop me spending my money on my children's education, I may as well spend it on policing those whose courage in their own convictions leads them not merely to protest and reason me over to the truth, but to glue themselves to the highway (happy to learn that they crowd-funded the policing costs).
OK, I give in; I vow never to jet off with Thomas Cook again. Perhaps I'll just walk to Camber Sands instead. And give up exhaling.
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,879
Maybe I should clarify my view on global warming.
Yes obviously the world seems to be warming up which I believe is a natural event not instigated by man. I just hope it is not long term but will not live long enough to actually know the full outcome.
Yes man can improve on the way we use and treat our surroundings, massive recycling being a good start. Cutting down huge forests etc is the way to disaster.
Yes governments should do more especially those who can afford all the important improvements and should guide and help those countries that are struggling.
No I do not think small protest events like that on Saturday will achieve anything except annoy those who have no power to instigate change. Before anyone says anything about the ballot box being the answer, the Brexit fiasco has proved Governments can ignore the voter whenever they feel like it.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Jan Higgins wrote:Maybe I should clarify my view on global warming.
Yes obviously the world seems to be warming up which I believe is a natural event not instigated by man. I just hope it is not long term but will not live long enough to actually know the full outcome.
Given the overwhelming weight of evidence a view virtually on par with the flat earth society.
Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
- Posts: 3,706
Surely by now historical cause is less important than designing solutions to prevent foreseeable consequences
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
says it all don't it.
