Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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6 November 2010
23:3478860#21
Sue, sorry you misunderstood me. I would never dream of proposing that Temple Ewell or any part of River's Green be urbanised, and that against the local people's will too! Not me to do so.
I was being sarcastic, trying to explain to Mr. Roger Walkden that I do not agree with his and Mr. Paul Watkin's never-ending plans to invite masses of people over to Dover Town and to the Garden area (Whitfield in this case) without any democratic will of us local people. They seem to think that great migration waves from all over England and London should come and settle here, put up shops, and employ us Dovorians in their shops! This is tantamount to what they keep stating.
I was informed the other day from Whitfield that many of the local people still hope that DDCs urban plans for Whitfield do not pull off owing to the financial crisis.
It's a shame that people have to hope in the crisis continuing so that their village Greenery is not urbanised, but that's how it is!
I will oppose these never-ending migration schemes to Dover in May, come what May.
Natural influx is one thing, there is a natural housing market too, but a Council sponsored migration to a town is not on, it is not what the Council is there for, and we all know that the masses of people have said no! Here in Dover as in River as in Whitfield!
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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7 November 2010
08:1378870#22
Alexander, all my postings on here are my personal view, not the political view of the District Council.
Are you saying that you don't want Dover to grow any more than it is now ? That you want it to stagnate ?
What about all those people who are having children, where will they live in 25 years time ?
What about all those children alive now, who are growing up and will want a house of their own in a few years time ? Where will they live ?
People around the Country, move around the Country - we did, we moved here from Hertfordshire in 1994, sounds like you wish we hadn't (probably others who wish we hadn't too).
We need more houses and more jobs - good quality jobs too, not just for shop assistants and similar.
If you are going to promote stagnation, you won't get very far; Dover needs growth to cater for future generations. If we don't build any more housing, are you saying that only the private-rented sector will do - we know the state of a lot of the private sector housing - not fit for living in, some of them.
Roger
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,948
7 November 2010
08:5878876#23
ROGER
Now you have confused me.
If your postngs are as you say your personal view, do you operate differently as a politican and thus vote differently?
Do we realy know your politcal view?
Thats a rather strange comment
ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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7 November 2010
12:4678917#24
Roger, I am in favour of economic growth for Dovorians, and the communities in Dover District. This implies training programs for basic factory and farm-work that are promoted by the local Councils (District and County), and not JUST for computer IT skills or for maths and literacy courses which people can attend after 1 year of unemployment, as is currently the case.
Also training in other spheres, such as brick-laying and a whole series of crafts, would be welcome. These training courses should be open for the local people who wish to attend them, free for those who cannot pay the course-fees, and should result in people also being actively trained in situ in the factories and on the farms or within the trade they are learning.
However, the local factories and farms employ largely people who are very diligent and physically fit, but often are not even from Britain! At this point, economic growth is a no-goer!
What you are aiming at achieving is demographic growth through migration from other parts of England and London.
The e.u. laws do not allow any programme for local employment in Britain, as this would be illegal, for all employment in the private sector must be open for citizens of 27 countries, and those countries that have a minimum wage half or less than half than in Britain or other western countries, supply busy and willing workers who no-doubt out-do in performance a demotivated local person.
This is a snapshot of reality. Incidentally, racism (this is just for the record in general) is when people are humiliated on account of their ethnic origin. I never have doubted the working integrity and will of many people who work here, or deemed them inferior in human constitution, but do assert that many people in Britain do not and will not stand a chance of employment and economic prosperity, as the employment is open to people from so many countries who would earn much less in their own country, or who would find no work at all in their own country.
Because of this: the economic laws in Britain concerning employment, there is little chance any Council in Britain could do anything to introduce any form of economic prosperity, and it might just be a lost cause at this point. But demographic growth by inviting more people over to settle in Dover is not economic growth for the local people.
Stagnation is a result of e.u. membership, and of so much production being transferred abroad to countries, including China, where labour costs a fraction of what it does here, and also of the policies of artificial house-pricing that obliges families to pay far too much on rent or mortgage, considering the real value of housing. Houses are worth much less than they are sold for in Britain.
The real debt of Britain is over 3 trillion pounds, counting the State debt and the individual debts of many individual people and families.
If this goes on, any attempt to introduce Prosperity is doomed to failure.
However, importing more people to Dover as a Council policy of DDC is a disaster, it is not anything that will help the local people, and would not create jobs, just add more people who are looking for and getting the jobs in Dover. And our Country-side would be urbanised.
Roger, local Dovorians should build houses when they need them, currently we don't need them.
Currently, the local estate market has a supply in abundance of local houses for sale or for rent.
If local Dovorians one day need more houses to be built, I will support it, but you and Paul Watkins are only trying to import more people to Dover!
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 14,118
7 November 2010
13:0078918#25
Well said Alex.I think you will find that Alex will be standing at the next locals and he makes some very good points ,and would do well on any council.
Roger, You might need to think about that at some point.
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,025
7 November 2010
13:0578919#26
I think you will find high flyers as my family are will work else where and choose to live here. Hi Speed Link and the houses are cheaper .
Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
- Posts: 3,205
7 November 2010
13:3078925#27
We need the jobs here first,then the houses will follow.The other way round we will have long queue at the job centre.
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,931
7 November 2010
13:4978927#28
I agree with Sue on this one, there are not that many jobs for those who are the high flyers, they have to work in or from the major business areas. My son moved to Oxford and my grandson is in Plymouth, I think it would take a lot for either of them to move back to this area even though they miss it.
Dover along with a lot of other places will become like so many villages are now, full of weekenders and those who sleep here but spend their money nearer to where they work.
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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7 November 2010
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Guest 687- Registered: 2 Jun 2009
- Posts: 513
7 November 2010
16:3478957#30
Ron, currently bobbing once again on the Baltic but when I get back I have an ordenance survey map of Dover of 1909 which shows all Dovers buildings at that point in time, I will give you an answer then.
Guest 673- Registered: 16 Jun 2008
- Posts: 1,388
16 November 2010
15:1580270#31
From map of Dover showing Elms Vale in 1908.
Have uploaded the full Ordnance Survey map of Dover 1908 to my fotopic site.
Click "Full Size" box beneath the image and then left click within image to expand.
http://shipsintheportofdover.fotopic.net/p68129914.htmlGuest 684- Registered: 26 Feb 2009
- Posts: 635
16 November 2010
17:0080300#32
Kath - can I once again compliment you on your fabulous collection of photos. Loved the Markland Road view in particular...our Mum and Dad bought their first house up the top of Markland Road, brand new, in 1952 (a new pad for something like the price of an iPad in modern terms!).
I will show Mum this photo. She'll love it.
Thanks again and keep them coming!
Andy
Guest 700- Registered: 11 Jun 2010
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16 November 2010
23:2880377#33
Thanks Andrew - the old photos are there to be used and shown, always glad if they are of interest.
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