howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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This is an amazing move by Labour and by Ed Miliband. At a stroke it is as near as you can get in politics to instant popularity. There can be no doubt at all in anyone's mind that the Coalition cocked up the Tuition Fee situation massively. Unheralded unpopularity ensued. It put paid to Nick Clegg and Cleggmania for starters, his awful flip-flop about-shift in this area is well documented already, no need for further ramblings or ravings from me. His crumbling ediface is evidence enough.
But to add to Cleggs misery the Tories pushed ahead with a rise in the fees to £9000, a staggering level, with Cameron insisting that only elite universities would charge this level of fees. I watched him utter those words. Of course silver spoon Cameron has never operated in the real world of work and business and lo and behold...it happened.. all universties including the belt and braces cloth cap concrete variety introduced the top rate.
Egg on governments face.
All this of course gave wide-eyed Ed wind under his sails and at Prime Ministers Questions in the House the young Miliband got stuck in. Picture shows him giving Mr Cameron a good finger wagging on the issue.
Now with this latest move he will have wrong footed the Prime Minister with this slash in tuition fees. Yes the puppet master and his woodentop dummy Clegg will have to burn the midnight oil to come up with a credible antidote to this fully funded move from Labour.
This move will go down very well with our student fraternity.
Keith Sansum1
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ED certainly has turned up the heat on the tories who will need to respond in a better way than they are at the moment.
of course ed has obviously been planning this for some time, and it has put the govt on the back foot
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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will be interesting to see how he does at conference, apparently he is going to turn on the utility companies, a good populist move.
what he can do to control their excesses is another thing altogether though.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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Ed was on TV this morning, gracing the Andrew Marr show and he is looking fitter, leaner and up for the fight. He did a good performance...I hope its not just me but he seems to be improving. Today there are pictures of himself and his family in the papers so they are at last beginning to push the wholesome Ed family man image..not before time, it should have been milked earlier as per David Cameron.
Yes a number of people have remarked that he has lost weight, there you are, slim is all these days. Its all about image, getting welcomed into peoples homes via the media, getting your message reverberating around their walls, getting listened to.
If he tackles the utility companies it will be good, the Libdems huffed and puffed on this last week but failed to blow any utility houses down. So will be interesting to see. Bit more of those eye catching Tuition Fee type headlines wont hurt.
#6
He's getting some practice in, methinks, and it shows. Be fair, though, how much effort does it take to ridicule the glibdems? I found I had done so in my sleep the other day and had breath and energy to spare enough to have a quick moan about the state of the NHS.........
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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I think at long last ed has p;icked up more on public opinion, and will press more and practice on labour policies.
he has taken a time to wake up, probably in the background working out the direction he wants the party to go.
unlike clegg ed looked confident and appeared to brim with ideas and showed more passion wich is what is required.
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#8
This past Labour leader hit a chord with the voters and had passion
More about Mr Tony Blair..........
Monday evening.....8pm....Dispatches...........Channel 4.....
#9
Just a reminder......
Channel 4....8pm.....Tonight..........
The Wonderful World of Tony Blair
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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#10
glad that eds on the way back
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Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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University fees of £9k are nothing to an old Etonian who has paid £30k per year previously.
Fees of £9k are crippling to the parents of a state school educated student, Why not means test?
Free for those with ability who are under a certain threshold and fee paying for those above the threshold.
I don't see this as a major stumbling block for any party. Its called 'joined up' thinking.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Brian Dixon
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dont forget 2 eds are better than 1,if you catch my drift.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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What was most interesting about his speech and a fact that subsequent news programmes have not mentioned, maybe out of embarassment, is that the whole thing went off the air mid flight. It was there one minute, Ed doing his thing, and the next our screens were blank. It appears all channels lost coverage. I dont know how many minutes it was gone, quite a few when youre hanging on every word..!!
here is the man himself while he was on air...
Now it must be said, dear oul Ed is not a barnstormer. He doesnt breathe fire and brimstone into his speeches, he doesnt whip up a frenzy of zealous enthusiasm, he is more of a cosy chatter. One talking head on TV said he wasnt Tony Blair who could 'electrify any venue' and indeed Ed said as much in his speech. But he talked generally and engagingly about all the things we are worried about..like Jobs, the NHS, and so on, and his words went down well in the hall.
The real purpose of this speech I suspect was PR..he went out to be engaging, to be liked. His personal poll ratings are not great, and are making little headway, so the main assault here was not on Government policies, although he did cover the basics, but on the opinion polls. I think he pulled it off. He wanted to come across as likeable and he did.
But...was his speech sabotaged by person or persons unknown?? Taking a major speech off air mid stream looks odd in the extreme.
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Ed is not charismatic,easy to look at,or easy to listen to but he tells it as it is and the truth.
Would we buy a secondhand car from Flashman and Ossie?
Voters may not have taken on board some of the messages yet but they will be repeated and developed in time.
The closed circles of Britain.
Britains preditors and Britains Producers.
We have a Rigged Market.
Break up vested interests in Society
It is not in Btitains interest to have 3,000 pupils from state schools with Uni grades not going to Uni.
The Preditors and quick buck Society.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i liked a lot of what he said or was reported to have said, particularly rewarding people who do well and contribute to society, rather than a few get rich quick merchants.
not sure about his stance on the rip off utility companies, yes they do deserve to have their wings clipped, but how can it be done?
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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i think the speech went quite well but it wouldin front of his own people.
that said he now lays down some interesting stuff as reg lays out and im sure over the next few months will be developed
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Guest 663- Registered: 20 Mar 2008
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Not seeing the whole of the speech some of what I did see seemed good, but one can only think he does have a mountain to climb and that can not be easy, but as said time will tell on how the voters take it.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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jan;
yes he has a mountain to climb to convince not only us lefties that theres something in all this for us, but also the wider community.
he has an ideal time
we see clegg and cameron most unpopular leaders since our dear old maggie
so build he must
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