howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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seems a good idea on the face of it with people having to pay out for wasting other people's time.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/doormen-training-help-drunks-002633528.html#C5fo2beGuest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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""We would arrest them, they would go to a welfare centre and when they were sober the police would return to deal with the criminality of their behaviour and there might well be a bill to pay."
This needs clarification. A bill for what?
These may be the best people to supply the premises and staff of the Drunk Tanks, as an integral part of their 'customer service'...
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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the welfare centre and staff would cost money so the miscreant would have to pay recompense.
there has been talk of charging n.h.s patients if drunkenness is the reason they visit accident and emergency units.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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It is a very questionable rationale that concludes that is perfectly all right to do exactly what as you wish, just as long as you have the money.
It also extremely antisocial, in it's broadest sense, to separate sociability from alcohol and would lead to an increase in 'drunken' gatherings in entirely inappropriate places.
Far better to have the alcohol manufacture & supply industry fork out to clean up it's own mess.
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Jan Higgins
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This is a good idea, as for Tom's question if nothing else to pay for having to clear up their various bodily fluids which they tend to leave behind them.
The comment by the woman in the Sky video (about 1.5 minutes in) about the poor with children made me smile, maybe she has her priorities slightly lopsided.
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Bob Whysman
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howard mcsweeney1 wrote:the welfare centre and staff would cost money so the miscreant would have to pay recompense.
there has been talk of charging n.h.s patients if drunkenness is the reason they visit accident and emergency units.
This would be a welcome start to perhaps controlling the numbers of drunks cluttering up hospitals at the expense of those who are genuinely in need of medical care!
Do nothing and nothing happens.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Deary, deary me. You cannot possibly work out social problems on paper, or with pieces of paper or plastic.
It is an idiotic folly to strive to equate all things to £sd.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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any constructive ideas tom?
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What's that Howard? Over and above the perfectly workable stop-gap I have already put forward?
Open more pubs, lower the on-sale prices and surcharge the 'nite'-spots that employ high-energy rhythmic 'sounds' to heighten the mood, and thereby exacerbate the drinking problems.
It would improve matters also if late-nite venues and the like were coerced into stamping the forearms of their clientèle and receive swinging charges to off-set Policing and medical services.
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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It would also improve matters if they were to stop selling to those who were obviously inebriated rather than filling their tills with gay abandon. There is a big difference between having a few to many and barely able to stand up.
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Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Yes certainly Jan, let's throw the problem back where it belongs, and as you say, back to the Police and prosecuting authorities.
You would have noticed that 'trained' door-staff feature in the story, and a picture of a young lady a little worse for wear...with a glass lying beside her.
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Bob, you've been Deary, deary me'd by Tom, welcome to the club - and after less than a month of posting, could be a record!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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the police do not have the numbers to deal with situation tom and we can criticise the purveyors of alcohol all we like but it is not them that vomit/fight/cause disturbance in our town centres.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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Tom, please do not completely put a different twist my words.
I was not and do not blame the Police or prosecuting authorities, I totally blame the drinking establishments for plying the lightly drunk with even more alcohol so the idiots can barely stand.
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Ray Newsam1 wrote:Bob, you've been Deary, deary me'd by Tom, welcome to the club - and after less than a month of posting, could be a record!
Now you've made my day Ray, because as I hadn't mentioned £sd, just drunks cluttering up hospitals, I thought he was taking on the big boy, Howard. Also £p is more my era!
If Howard doesn't mind I'll accept the honour gratefully and give Tom an unopened 2 litre bottle of cider next time I pass him sprawled on the unwanted sofa in Folkestone Road.
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If the drunks had to pay for being 'looked after' until they got sobered up, this would certainly be a good idea, and no doubt would have been the case in times past.
And as Jan says, no sensible publican should keep serving drinks to those who were becoming legless, leaving it to someone else to deal with the consequences.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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very few can afford to get drunk at pub or club prices, the original link refers to the old trick of a bottle filled with vodka in ladies handbags.
the beer is purchased in supermarkets and maybe another is bought in a pub or club.
Guest 1033- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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I am led to understand that it is against the law to sell more drink to someone who is already drunk, whether it is a pub, club, supermarket or off licence doing the selling. I would assume that this law is not enforced with any rigour, as we see very drunk people staggering about in the town, who must have got their last drink from somewhere. If the sellers of the stuff can't act responsibly, for the binge drinkers certainly can't, then let those who make the profits do the paying.
My idea won't work if they get ratted at home and stagger into the town without buying more, but a levy on the prices, or some nice fat fines might help.
Thinking about it, they (the establishment) would probably spend any money generated by this scheme on a war or something similar.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Perhaps this is an instance of 'if the cap fits', but I did not personalise my emoting of despair. My comment was rather in answer to the co-ordinated, cumulation of the general attitude that 'cost' trumps 'worth'.
Yes Barrie, there is such a law, but it is not simply the lack of enforcement that troubles. There are now, I suspect, far fewer instances of an actual licensee being present on the premises, 'responsible' or otherwise.
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