Karlos- Location: Dover
- Registered: 1 Oct 2012
- Posts: 2,599
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Guest 3925- Registered: 28 Nov 2020
- Posts: 541
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I've had a very brief look at the Local Plan Regulation 18 Consultation document and the maps on page 225 (of 269).
Unless I've misunderstood it, Whitfield housing allocation could make it bigger than Dover and the lovely hills / valley above Connaught Park / St James Cemetery will be allocated as housing too!
269 pages is a lot of reading though!
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Reginald Barrington
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,261
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AndyPol wrote:I've had a very brief look at the Local Plan Regulation 18 Consultation document and the maps on page 225 (of 269).
Unless I've misunderstood it, Whitfield housing allocation could make it bigger than Dover and the lovely hills / valley above Connaught Park / St James Cemetery will be allocated as housing too!
269 pages is a lot of reading though!
Thats pretty much it! But it'll be ok cuz there'll be a flashy (but empty) fast track bus.
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Arte et Marte
Guest 3925- Registered: 28 Nov 2020
- Posts: 541
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Reginald Barrington wrote:Thats pretty much it! But it'll be ok cuz there'll be a flashy (but empty) fast track bus.
And there's me hoping I'd read it wrong
and don't get me started on the fastrack....
Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,261
#5
I see they're still banging on and wasting our money with the bloody cable car to the castle idea!
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Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 8,397
#6
It's all about the New Homes Bonus.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/new-homes-bonus-final-allocations-2020-to-2021
In essence, in spite of the fact that more Dovorians are dropping dead than being born each year. To balance the books (and every election they crow about the fact that we have the lowest Council Tax around) DDC need to keep on encouraging new builds to maximise their income.
It's a bit like drugs. At first you only need a few extra houses. Nd no great harm is done and you convince yourself your habit is under control.
Unfortunately when their bonus vanishes you need to build even more homes to cross subsidise services for the increased population (usually fleeing our vibrant and multi-ethnic capitol!) who have filled up the extra houses all needing schools, roads, doctors etc.
"The world is still a weird place, despite my efforts to make clear and perfect sense of it".
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Arthur- Registered: 18 Nov 2020
- Posts: 455
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I’m very curious as to who is going to buy all of these houses? So far very few have been built on Phase 1 of the three Whitfield sites. None at all on the main Burgoyne Heights site (not sure how far that has progressed). Where are the jobs to encourage people to live in the area? Unfortunately Dover does not have enough well paid career opportunities, therefore the young people who leave for university and get good qualifications never return and that’s unlikely to change.
Guest 3925- Registered: 28 Nov 2020
- Posts: 541
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Reginald Barrington wrote:I see they're still banging on and wasting our money with the bloody cable car to the castle idea!
I'm looking forward to the cable car, it will save me driving to Alton Towers for a death defying ride where I risk life at every turn!
It will make windy days fun in Dover.
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Guest 3925- Registered: 28 Nov 2020
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Arthur wrote:I’m very curious as to who is going to buy all of these houses? So far very few have been built on Phase 1 of the three Whitfield sites. None at all on the main Burgoyne Heights site (not sure how far that has progressed). Where are the jobs to encourage people to live in the area? Unfortunately Dover does not have enough well paid career opportunities, therefore the young people who leave for university and get good qualifications never return and that’s unlikely to change.
I'd like to know that too, and who locally would be able to buy them anyway? Not me. I walked past the officers mess site at Connaught the other day and it's moving along, although looking at the foundations I'm not sure there is much room in those houses?
Both my teenagers have said they can't see any attraction of staying in Dover after school or university, which shows how attractive the area is, and it shouldn't be like that.
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,948
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Andypol
We agree there !!
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Arthur- Registered: 18 Nov 2020
- Posts: 455
#11
My kids both achieved good degrees and now have well paid and rewarding careers, though of course not back in Dover.
Someone made the observation to me yesterday that the only businesses that Dover attracts are low cost stores, the latest to open on the White Cliffs Business park is another disappointment- I have visited a couple in other areas which have a large range of furniture, soft furnishings and home wear however the Dover store is largely yet another discount supermarket. I remarked to the staff that the store wasn’t what I had been expecting but was told they are tailored to the local demographic.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 14,118
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There is more then just shops in Dover there are lots of workshops some very big and if you get or have a trade you will get a good job with good money Iwas a welder still need them today yes I did work away alot but for a Dover company ,there are lots of trades needed in Dover and east kent and you do not have to be the brain of britern to be one, if I can do it anyone can just a good worker and time keeper.
Do not keep putting Dover down good jobs with good pay are about, just go looking and you will find one.I never had one day from the age of 15 to 67 with out work. Yes it is a lot harder now then in my day but you will do it if you try hard.AND GET A TRADE BEHIND YOU. THAT IS A MUST.
Arthur- Registered: 18 Nov 2020
- Posts: 455
#13
I’m afraid I have to disagree about career opportunities in Dover - yes there are jobs but I guess it all depends on your view of what is a good wage which provides a high standard of living.
I too have never been out of work, but my career when I began my working life was relatively much better paid than the same career now.
People won’t move into an area which lacks good quality shopping, entertainment and facilities.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,931
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AndyPol wrote:
Both my teenagers have said they can't see any attraction of staying in Dover after school or university, which shows how attractive the area is, and it shouldn't be like that.
My two grandsons said the same before and while they were at uni. One moved back with his wife to Dover after a time in Plymouth and both have excellent well paid jobs but not in Dover, the other has stayed in Cambridge but is pondering whether to move somewhere a bit nearer to Dover. My granddaughter stayed in London as she found her teaching job near to the uni, I doubt she will move back as her future husband also works in south London.
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 14,118
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Well I got very good wages well above what others were getting in other parts of the UK. And I did not go to university just left school went in the army onwards and upwards
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,025
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It seems we must agree to disagree.Bothmy sons had to move outside of Dover for work .Both with engineering degrees.My Daughter worked for NHS ,also a Charity and now another Charity .Depends on what career route and the wage you expect for your qualifications .My Grandson has a degree in Actuary not many firms around here for those of qualifications.He is doing a temporary job at present .Yes the schools in Dover turn out some very good scholars but the large firms have gone.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 14,118
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Dover has in the last few years and you can go back a lot longer still .had a lot of very big jobs done, just thinking of one still going on now is the Western Docks the D.H.B. are forking out many millions of pounds on new work and they are not the only ones, some of the work has been done by local trade men but most has been done by workers from out side of our Town, and why is that ,it is because there is not the trades men in Dover and ones that are in Dover have a job anyway, it is not about getting the work done by workers that work for less money then in Dover ,most of the work has been done from workers from all over the UK and some have been on very good wages over 600pounds a week and even more than that alot more. When I had to stop work I offerd to go round schools and talk to the young about trades but Iwas not taken up on it. It not all done on a lap top you can get over a £1000 a week as a welder etc .So we need a lot more young taking up trades and there is lots of work on the railway roads,etc but unless they get a trade it will remain hard to get a good job not only in Dover but the UK.Going on from that is the N.H.S. still needs 1000s of workers local and up the line.
Karlos- Location: Dover
- Registered: 1 Oct 2012
- Posts: 2,599
#18
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- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,109
#19
Liking the logo thingy - not a sign of an LGV but a nice (rapid?) bus instead! No cable car, sadly - turned out it was easier to move Dover castle down the hill.
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Dover Pilot- Registered: 28 Jul 2018
- Posts: 350
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I like the fact that the district logo thingy only represents Dover town