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Paulb
well said boyo
for me I dont care who does it, but let encourage all to the same aim
If the MP is the latest route lets go for it
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Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Paul, so if what you say is true why bother with a regeneration officer?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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many properties on the dtiz site have been bought up, i don't know how much money is available to buy more - if ddc do spend on this they will be accused of throwing good money after bad.
let's not forget that the county hotel are appealing against their compulsory purchase order.
the tottenham/arsenal link is disingenuous david, sky tv don't fill the ddc coffers.
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Keith still won't tell us what closet he refers to.
Keith Sansum1![Keith Sansum1](/assets/images/users/avatars/704.jpg)
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lets stick a few red herrings in david
always good for you to avoid whats being said
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howard mcsweeney1 wrote:many properties on the dtiz site have been bought up, i don't know how much money is available to buy more - if ddc do spend on this they will be accused of throwing good money after bad.
let's not forget that the county hotel are appealing against their compulsory purchase order.
the tottenham/arsenal link is disingenuous david, sky tv don't fill the ddc coffers.
Absolute nonsense Howard, DDC have wasted money professional developers wouldn't, its what happens when its not your own.
What on earth has SKY got to do with a business plan and attracting customers? You have a budget, you work within it, you employ professionals, you get the job done. Compare the Emirates stadium with the DTIZ, bang, Arsenal got it done.
All DDC have done is waste our money growing 6 foot buddelia plants on wasteland.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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Well I dont know re post 42 ?
But presumably they need someone to hopefully follow through any seed of potential growth.
But the DDC cant afford to mount a team of challengers up there in London's square mile where the regeneration bundles along with a flourish, and they dont have any problem building shards and gherkins, but sadly very little of it comes outwards.
Other than put us local citizens through years and years of increased rates and taxes to a swingeing eye-watering proportion, and even then they wouldnt raise enough, the money will have to come from outside..from where the wealth creation is.
A few years back there was talk that the high speed trains arrival in Dover would generate a new boost to our local economy. But I'm not aware of it having any impact along these lines, but would be delighted to hear otherwise.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Keith Sansum1 wrote:lets stick a few red herrings in david
always good for you to avoid whats being said
4th time lucky Keith
What is the closet Peter has come out of? Your arse must be full of splinters
Keith Sansum1![Keith Sansum1](/assets/images/users/avatars/704.jpg)
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peter has indicated his support for our charlie and party in a reply to howard recently
but yep red herrings always work david
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Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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The crucial thing is the ability to attract investment, you've been in business, you understand sales and marketing and target markets.
DDC has no money, what it did have its wasted, now we're stuck because of their inability to attract customer/investors and develop things.
I really can't fathom why anybody wants to support or justify their incompetence
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its always of interest to try to reach agreement;
Reg always goes for the unitary option
just looking at Dover, then the officers and amount of them on very high wages
chief executive
director of governance
director of finance
director of environment and corperate assets
director of regeneration/developement
thats without all the other officers below them
maybe unitary the way forward?
this could reduce number of cllrs/officers a fair saving
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Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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I dont think anyone would justify incompetence, if indeed any did exist there at the DDC, but all along you flog a donkey to win the derby...it cant happen. Perhaps a working delegation needs to be formed from active businessmen/women but with the politician along,,you cant do it without the politician, to pursue a financial growth agenda, to do what you said earlier, to pursue businesses and show them Dover's potential and all the while pushing the notion that we have access to the EU markets right on doorstep. it might suffer years of rebuff but it might also just work in time. The alternative is to do nothing much. Also Charlie Elphicke himself might be able to catch the ear of the PM if we keep pushing long enough.HMG did well for us before...but of course there are a lot of begging bowls in the queue these days.
Just want to ask generally again..
if the HSTrain has made any difference. has anyone noticed a difference.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i was one of those who thought the high speed train would partly regenerate dover paul, there was even a spread in the evening standard about cheap property prices in dover and around to entice fed up londoners.
the problem was they came down turned right out of the station, took one look and got the next train back.
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Two years ago we were told about a multi storey car park at Priory station.........
Paul, you say the alternative is to do nothing much, I'm sorry but thats what we have been doing, the alternative is to do SOMETHING.
Dover is becoming a stagnant pond, a completely new approach is required, local people with the desire to make things happen. Local politicians spend their time squabbling, heaven knows what regeration officers at DDC do, they're as much use as chocolate teapots.
They get upset when I say that, I've given them plenty of opportunity to prove me wrong, I'll keep banging on until or unless they move things on.
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dover has been like it since may 8th 1945,.
Keith Sansum1![Keith Sansum1](/assets/images/users/avatars/704.jpg)
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Lots of people are doing lots david,
With regard to the HS Train I was one of a few who stated the people woudnt come all the way from London, but definatly wouldnt stay.
At the time i was poo pooed
i hate to say i wa right
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As much as I am also fed up with the snails pace of the many improvements that are proposed the continued slagging off of DDC gets us absolutely nowhere. We all know the town needs regeneration but when there is little or no spare money developers are certainly not going to rush into things.
I suggest that David stands at the next local election so he can right everything that is wrong with the town at super speed.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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david is looking a lot higher than the council, a seat in the commons is the plan, charlie is just keeping it warm for him.
Guest 756- Registered: 6 Jun 2012
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As a former Community development/ regeneration officer, I am proud of the small achievements I made, in fact many of our local councillors gained confidence and knowledge from courses I set up to enpower them.
My greatest disappointment was that the funding allocated to my team did not allow me to work with local businesses directly, although I did stretch the edges a bit at times.
I approached many firms, large and small, in the district and asked them to adopt a community group/ project with a scheme which would have brought mutual benefits. Two firms had the decency to reply.
I often find that with all good intentions, local authorities have problems with raising expectations, nothing wrong with that but without the means to deliver within reasonable time scales, the only thing this achieves is a limp, i.e. they shoot themselves in the foot!