One of the most fascinating was the church in La place des Abbesses (notable for Guinard's extant METRO entrance in the art nouveau style).
The church is the first in Paris to be built in re-enforced concrete. Unfortunately
1.the planning authorities at the time did not think it would stand up so the original designs are re-re-enforced by a totally un-necessary galley (structurally speaking).
2 being Catholic the clean concrete structure internally has been decorated with the usual 'bling'.
A great shame since it could/should be a tight design a le Corbusier.
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Don`t tell me Brian, the vicar`s in the night club and you`re next door.
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
There's a night club opposite the Town Hall? I thought all the 'ravers' were IN the Town Hall?
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not quite colin try a more eastrly driction.
sid,only knobs [posh people]use the town hall.
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If anyone has money, it's the Church. Anglican or Catholic, they're both loaded. Perhaps it is the Church who should be doling out money.
True friends stab you in the front.
The church opposite the Town Hall is the one that burnt out having closed from lack of congregation. I believe it was quite modern. It is one of several that have gone, including St Bartholomew's and the other one at the top end of London Road that became a club (it backs onto Oswald Road). These churches close because there is so little interest. It would be good for the town to see the one opposite the old Royal Vic Hosp turned into flats as it can only bring people into the town centre (what there is left of it). We have some lovely old churches here in Dover, specifically St Mary's and St Andrew's that I know of.
I really do not know what tourists coming in from Europe that Alexander is referring to. Very few stop off on their way through. Even those that come on coach trips go straight on to Canterbury which has far more to offer in many ways. The main tourists that I see around are the children who come on school trips from France, or people from the cruise ships, who, as discussed in other strands, too often find nothing to do here, often through lack of guidance.
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Well hello! The church opposite the Town Hall, to put the priorities right, is the one that deserves speacial recognition, the Union Jack Flying High over the Town Hall:
IT DEFIED THE ELEMENTS OF SPECULATION!
That's what I also like about Dover, they come and try to overrun us, and we fight them off!
I'll come back later onto this Democracy site, but really thanks for joining in, and please keep it up. Really interesting to know views.
Andy, if I am not mistaken, the big white church in Paris somewhere in the centre with such a beautifully chiming bell, typically French sounding, is along the main artery that leads to Gare du Nord, not far from the Seine, and not far from the statue of Jeanne de Arc, even though this topographic indication is still rather vague, I'll admit. When in Paris, I usually don't take the public transport, 'cause I just love walking through Paris!
Keep having a lovely time there, Bob. I'm thinking of a French croissant and cup of coffee, and a cheese baguette!
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Today I have noticed many groups of tourists marching from York Street port-bus stop to Priory Station. They don't even stop over in Dover to look around.
If we don't get that church opposite Town Hall up and open, tourist will just turn-heel and walk out. Who wants to see a magnificent neo-gothic church resembling - to an extent - Notre Dame, burnt out and desolate, right in the centre of town, too!
We should honour this church with special recognition, for fighting back!
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its due to volcanic activaty in iceland,creating a no fly zone over britain and most of europe.those people you saw have probaly been travlerling for the best part of 24 hours to get here,dont blame them for wanting to get to there final destanation.
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This may sound flippant, Alexander, but if the question is 'Who wants to see Notre Dame(sic)?', the answer is - hundreds of thousands every year. Quite why they would want to see Notre Dame, though, is beyond me; I have been twice and find it gloomy and quite the most dull cathedral I've ever been to. Add to that the throngs of tourists around the place, and the sense of awe that I get from other cathedrals is gone, exactly the same as Canterbury Cathedral.
True friends stab you in the front.
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andy,they are looking for quszmodo and girl friend.apart from that i agree with you.
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Andy, I thought in Dover the Council wanted to attract tourism, so you are telling me that my suggestion to have this beautiful church structure opposite Town Hall restored to a church instead of being left to rot in the town-centre is a vain request?
Tell me, what sort of tourism are we actually looking for, only people who don't believe in God? I'm beginning to have doubts, Andy!
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Could someone on the Forum please help me out here, I am beginning to have serious doubts!
The Church is privately owned and burned. Don't waste your time. Or mine.
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Don't tell me what to do and what not to do, please, Bern, you aren't my boss!
Well, that told you eh Bern? Next time speak when you are spoken to please.
Alexander, the ruin is privately owned and NOT for sale. End of.
Incidentally, if you go inside th DTC offices and look out you will see a pub and Whites, no sign of a church.
If you go up the steps of Maison Dieu, the old Town Hall, and look out you will see a tanning studio and opticians.
The burnt out ruin is further up the road and probably in an area where tourists rarely stray, unless they are chasing the bloke with the wheelbarrow of course.
As for the tourists themselves, I don't care what their religion is, just as long as they come and stay awhile and spend their money. Being part of a God Squad is not a prerequisite.
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Alright, Sid. The church in question is the one almost opposite what is commonly called "the Town Hall", so we agree that we know which one is meant. No law prevents a Town Council from purchasing back from slavery to speculation a church that defied this slavery and is now standing there rotting. The law that says it is forbidden does not exist, though it may be faked into existence under the guise of tyrannical hysterical outbursts, not that that ever daunts me!
Also, I'm glad you are more talkable lately; after all, Sid, we only live once on this Earth in this life! As for tourists, they might also like to know, or even would know, that Dover was once the centre of pilgrimages to Britain, along with Canterburry!
What Jacquie thinks stupid and senseless about my port toll proposal still baffles me! Still, I don't go prying on her threads to offend her!
In the end, it will be Dover Town Council who let me know if my proposal be accepted for the repairing of the church in question "opposite" the Town Hall and its restoration to its original functions.
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Alexander, I do like looking at old churches but purely as I would any other old building. If you want to see the above church restored, I`d suggest starting up a society dedicated to the cost of doing so, just like any other old building. I don`t see crowds of tourist`s flocking to St Marys, so I can`t really see tourists flocking up town to any other`s, whatever it`s history.
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Taken this afternoon.
Charlton church.
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Can't see any tourists in that pic Colin. I rather got the impression they were queuing up to see our historic churches. Perhaps not then.
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