Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Making the rich poorer does not make the poor richer- rather the reverse, in fact.
I have never been a freemason but I do know that the masonic organisation is one of the largest charitable givers in the world.
And the ultimate 'fat cat', Bill Gates, has given away nearly $40 billion in recent years.
'poverty wasnt started by any labour govt', says Keith. True. Poverty is the basic human condition, above which we raise ourselves by hard work, not government intervention.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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it is government intervention that has seen the rise in the use of food banks peter.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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By saying that, are you praising the government or damning it, Howard?
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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"Roger
really not the best thread to debate the wrongs of freemasonay"
I wasn't debating the wrongs of Freemasonry Keith, I was saying how good they are at giving. There are many poor and distressed Freeemasons.
It's not having lots of money that's a problem, it's what you do with it - as Peter has said above, many rich people give generously.
Roger
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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the latter peter - ill thought out benefit changes have brought misery to many.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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The ``Few``continually demonstrate their flippant attitude on this issue.
Brian Dixon
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it has howard,dispite what government say,or the blue smurfs on here say.
Ross Miller
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Well as far as relative poverty id concerned, the most common measure in the UK, as used in the Child Poverty Act 2010, is 'household income below 60 percent of median income'. The median is such an income that exactly a half of households earn more than that and the other half earns less. the current median household income is £15k for a single person and £22500 for a couple with no children. This is after income tax and national insurance have been deducted from earnings and after council tax, rent, mortgage and water charges have been paid.
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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My brother and his wife earn about £14,000 a year total and have to pay their rent, council tax, water rates energy bills etc. out of that.
Richard works for Saga on minimum wage (all sales staff are on minimum wage) and Saga are continually looking for ways to stop paying them commission, so he takes home just over £800 a month and his wife who works part-time (the only job she can get), takes about half that.
They are not entitled to any benefit money of any kind as they have been told the Government reckon they can cope quite easily on £105 per week - yeah right !!
Saga must be the worst company to work for (pay and conditions-wise), but it is a job and it goes some way to paying the bills.
They are in deep relative poverty and cannot see anyway out of it - thanks to Saga. He has (still is) tried looking for jobs, but because of his age (60) no one else will touch him.
Whoever says ageism is not practised by businesses, doesn't know what they're talking about.
Merry Christmas.
Roger
Keith Sansum1
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there you go then roger
at last your accepting theres a problem
not the few
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Your problem Keith is that you do not accept that it was your so called solutions that cause the problems in the first place.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Ageism is the least of your brother and his wife and millions of others problems Roger....
Wood for the trees Roger.........Merry Christmas to the millions of those in desperate situations.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I beg to differ Reg. if the companies weren't operating ageism he would be able to get a higher paid job and be out of his current poverty-stricken state; as it is, he can't get any other job because of it.
Not sure what you mean by (not seeing) the wood for the trees, Reg. can you elucidate for me please ?
Roger
Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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It is a damning indictment of our system of government and all the parties that have participated in it over the last 30+years, that here in the 6th largest economy world we have people who are in work but cannot make ends meet
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"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Jan Higgins
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Well put Ross.
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Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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While All governments, some politicians from All parties, play their selfish greedy games,that have nothing to do with running a proper country/economy for everyone, rich or poor, employed-unemployed, fit and disabled, we will never get out of this mess.
Wasting useless time and energy pontificating on who's stupid fault it is, people are living in poverty and dying for Christ's sake
Everytime it is the same people that suffer.
Roger.
You are still not seeing past your own family problems.
Richard is a genuine, hard working person who does not deserve to live or treated like he is but there are far worse cases than his.
Millions of innocent, genuine people are paying the price for in fighting with the upper echelons.
A fight that they did not start, not want or ever wanted to be part of.
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Gary
Poverty has followed membership of the EU , just as tony Ben and Denis skinner predicted it would.
Over regulations stopping business, and multinationals companies controlling legislation in there own interests, and mass movement of the poor ,,setting poor workers against poor workers.
Why do you think rich Tory's and rich labour want EU membership to continue?
They all have there hands in the pot.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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the ageism law was a well meaning but ill thought out idea resulting in employers interviewing people knowing in advance they were not going to employ them.
a waste of time and money for both interviewer and interviewee.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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# 56...spot on Gary....``You are still not seeing past your own family problems.`` Roger you quite rightly
have concerns for your brother and his wife.......but ignore the plight of millions,who are a part of the ``Trees``.....
......the bigger picture.....take the blinkers off mate .......not holding breath...but still hope......
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