Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#21
Mrs Ives it was nice meeting up with you for the first time,thank you for coming across to us. +And I see by your post that we are in agreement with each other.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#22
Lesley Ives wrote:Agreed Howard but I hate it when an organization is discredited 'en bloc' because they have had problems in one particular area. It is very hurtful to read negative comments when you have just completed a days work struggling with a variety of issues, often encountering red tape which stops you getting a positive solution. I'm sure that if you were to survey council officers they would be equally,if not more so, as frustrated as the man on the street!
Spot on.
Most people just do not understand the constraints Councils work under or the limitations to their powers to influence things.
As a general rule of thumb you should not expect any level of government to be efficient. That is why the less functions they are given the better.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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#23
One more reason to quit the EU cut the red tape on the councils
Remember the days when we had fish and chip in news paper.
Farmers went to the schools to pick up the left over food for there pigs
commonsense should be the backbone of council Budgets ,not political correctness and HSE madness,
And wages reality
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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#24
Well it seems we all agree, after all this is what I wrote in the opening post
There are plenty of hardworking, low paid staff at DDC being let down by inept councillors and senior staff.
Interesting that Howard, in his slavish desire to appease DDC has to trawl back 3 years to mention an award, I love Darren's comment on the link provided.
I stand by what I've been saying for ages, the conscientious and low paid staff are being let down by the hierarchy who are simply protecting their salaries and pensions. Can anybody begin to explain or justify the point of the Regeneration Dept at DDC, for instance?
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#25
David - there are very good senior staff and Councillors too....
They also find it frustrating, sometimes battering heads against brick walls to get things done. The system is too complex, too slow.
You might also have a go at the NIMBYS who object to any kind of development. Likewise if the streets get strewn with rubbish the fault is the people who throw it not those charged with cleaning it up. A street might be perfectly clean one minute only then for some filthy people to ruin it 5 minutes later.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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#26
Barry, of course there are good staff and councillors, my point is a generic one. If you ran DDC as a private organisation you would have sacked certain depts years ago. Well actually you wouldn't need to because a private company run along the current lines would go out of business.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#27
not a matter of trawling back david, i remembered the award and another one so used the search facility.
took all of 10 seconds.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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David Little wrote:Barry, of course there are good staff and councillors, my point is a generic one. If you ran DDC as a private organisation you would have sacked certain depts years ago. Well actually you wouldn't need to because a private company run along the current lines would go out of business.
Quite correct and this is why government at all levels should be restricted in their functions instead of extending their dead hand into all aspects of our lives. Government cannot be run properly like a business, the client side that is, the whole ethos is wrong
Guest 756- Registered: 6 Jun 2012
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#30
Local government is a complicated business, very much based on trust. The role of an officer is to provide acurate information to a group of councillors, who stem from a wide variety of life / work experience, without influencing the decision making process. As you can imagine this leads to all kinds of problems. As a Councillor,have you been given all the facts, including the restrictions, options and possible outcomes? As an Officer have you given an unbiased report,one that will not be used as a political weapon.
I cannot stress just how important your vote is when selecting your Councillor, after all you are asking them to represent you and they will be doing a job which will result in difficult desicion making and one which 90% of the population would rather not do!
Keith Sansum1
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#31
well said lesley
ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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#32
It is so easy to snipe from the wings,its different on stage....
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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#33
And you've been on the stage reg ,impersonating the Labour movement
Jan Higgins
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#34
So the politicians are all agreeing with each other, they did a good job in very difficult circumstances as do the paid officers.
Maybe if they had agreed with each other more often in the past we would not have such a shambles as we appear to have now.
This is not sniping just an observation.
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#35
Sniping Jan.
Everybody knows they can do the job better than those elected to do it....
That is a fact and when those sniping and telling those in the job how useless they are get elected themselves (if they have the character and everything else it takes to step up to the mark that is), everybody, yes, everybody else, will know how better they can do it and how useless the new lot are.
Such is life and not in a party or political context at all, just a statement of life.
As I said just accept that government at all levels is just inefficient.
I want less government for that reason, others want more government.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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#36
Agree with para`s 2,3,4 and five......
Guest 756- Registered: 6 Jun 2012
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#37
With the best will in the world we have to accept that no matter how good the bottom is the top will always rule!
