Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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#1
25 of 27 countries signed up to the ``fiscal package``Many of them struggled to make sure they were not left out of
the `fiscal`circle.Britain and Czeck Republic are left on the outside.
Cameron praised for his ``veto``by tory MP`s and some media also enjoying a jump in the polls.However his veto
was little more than a `walkout` as 26 countries signed up.
When EU Leaders gathered yesterday Cameron nodded through the ``fiscal package`` with the febble/useless threat
to take legal action over the use of the European Court of Justice to enforce it.However,as Cameron is aware ?,there is
little prospect that the UK will take legal action-not lest because the case would be heard by the ECJ itself which
normally rules in favour of European intergration......once again headline grabbing stuff but no chance of any action....
His ``veto`` and ``legal threat`` are completely worthless...............The `U` turn is complete.........
He now faces the tory euro-sceptics fury for his obvious climb down.
Phillip Davis MP tory sceptic warned the British public would now see Cameron as a John Major more than a Mrs
Thatcher.In December we saw the Polls jump up following his `veto` but now because of his backslide the polls will tell
a different story.A PM who shoots from the hip......knee jerks......talks big but cannot follow up with the goods......
is of little use to our country.
Cameron spent yesterday trying to build bridges but there was little sign of recovery.
................those that cry wolf........................
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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#2
Im afraid Cameron did do a kneejerk reaction the last time around. It did appease his revolting backbenchers in the short term but there is no long term appeasement possible with some of these guys because they want total withdrawal from the EU. This time at the EU summit Mr Cameron is taking a softer line and is more back in the fray, back in the mainstream...which led Jeremy Paxman on Newsnight last night to ask why he did the so called 'veto' in the first place, if he is now back swimming mainstream.
The reason for the veto was simple...to appease his own party. The knives were out for him, the daggers were drawn.
Sure it gave Cameron a boost in the polls as generally a punch in the nose to those foreigners always goes down well with the readers of the Daily Express and the Daily Mail. "Eureka" they cry for the bulldog!
I myself prefer to see him back in a central role in the EU...its not for the UK to be hovering on the fringes of anything. You cannot seriously operate as a big player in the world any more as a tiny solitary nation. Just to make this point...take the EU oil embargo against Iran...its bound to have an impact...the UK having an embargo would be laughable as it would have no impact.
If you punch with the bigger players as a united block you score well. All the serious trading blocks are big now.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#3
we have been in the trading bloc for about 4 decades, that will never change.
fiscal union is another thing altogether as is political union.
governments change colour all the time across europe, there will never be 100% agreement on issues.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#4
It would be absolutely bonkers to join this fiscal union, have you not learned the lessons of the past years?
We have all learned that the rules mean nothing to the EU if they stand in the way of more integration, rules mean as little to the EU fanatics as public opinion and democracy.
What Cameron is doing is to avoid being accused of wrecking the Euro ready for when it falls apart. Its a bit of political manoeuvring. Personally I would have preferred him to take a strong stance on the fundamental problems of the Euro and tell the silly blighters to stop the sticking plasters, face up to their responsibilities and forget their Euro-sized egos. Not that they would do that, specially with Sarky facing an imminent election.
What is good news about all this is that it takes us a step closer to getting out of the farce called a European Union.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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#5
Ah right Barry, so Dave is again up to his own Brian Rix?
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Brian Dixon
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#6
barryw,so the 26 who have signed up are wrong and u turn coat dave is right,only time will tell.....................when we are banckrupt.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#7
i don't know about that brian unemployment is 10.4% in the eurozone, roughly 8% here.
in spain it is over 20%.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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#8
howard,europe has a canny way of bounceing back,while the dithers and dallys and sits on its hands.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#9
Brian - do take the EU blinkers off and see what is really happening in that corrupt, incompetent and downright crooked organisation.
Keith Sansum1
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#10
PAULB;
Wihout doubt the EU needs review
but barryw's dave needs to decide is he pro or anti the E.U.,?
Trying to keep his party happy then backsliding is helping no one
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#11
Paul, Britain cannot abide to any change in EU policy that would detract powers from Britain without first a referendum. Since last year this has become Law in Parliament (London).
So any idea of Britain joining or otherwise adhering to stronger EU regulation is out of the question unless the populace agree by referendum.
There is no way anyone can get past this pillbox, as otherwise it would mean breaking the constitutional law. Dave knows this, he himself was PM when the law was voted through Parliament, so if the EU leaders want to give us a hard time and impose some new regulations on us that would detract sovereignty, Dave knows full well that he cannot do anything to prevent a referendum on the matter.
All he'd need say to 'em is: "well you lot forced us to hold a referendum".
So by and large Barry has got it right, and it might well be the very EU that severs the rope binding Britain to Babylon.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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#12
barryw,havent got blinkers on so having clear vision europe will recover before the uk will.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#13
Brian - that is not the view of just about every economist and professional investor out there and it certainly does not equate to logic, knowledge of the facts and common sense. It is only your wishful thinking.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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#14
Well it was an interesting day yesterday in The House.
Prime Minister Cameron returned from his European foray in buoyant mood, but alas it didnt last. His own backbenchers wore their simmmering disgruntlement on their accumulative sleeves for all to see..."what exactly did the PM veto recently?" asked one with more than a hint of irony. It summed up the mood of the PM's own backbenchers that one. Cameron once again was in an uncomfortable position.
In the midst of an uproarious House, little Eddie Miliband delivered his best line to date as Labour leader. Oh I enjoyed this one, after all poor oul Ed had had a horrendous kicking from one and all in recent times. Here he is pictured previously...
But yes up he comes with the line.....
" Doesnt the Prime Minister know that a veto is for life not just for Christmas "
This was an absolute cracker and all enjoyed it, even the Prime Minister himself enjoyed it with a grimacing red faced half smile. He did try to retaliate with the usual response about Ed's weak leadership but this in itself was weak having been used ad nauseum already.
The nation is confused..we dont know where we are with regards the EU.
Are we in or out?
Are we half in and half out?
Are we in and coming out?
Are we leading from the rear while being half out?
Well I dunno...at least we are aligned with somebody...the Czech Republik.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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#15
Agree..........did you also witness Cleggy`s body language and facial expressions?
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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#16
paulb,you missed one,cameron is sitting on the fence a barbed wire as that is.
as i see it cameron is to soft,that soft he is a weak leader who cant make his mind up wheather to stay in or go with the euroscertics and get out.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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#17
# 2......totally agree.
penultimate para......so true.
Britain on its own,with or without a partner,competing against China,USA,Europe etc.....absolutely no chance.
All trading blocks are big now.
# 3...........1.agree we will always be in EU.
2.disagree.
3.Agree but on this issue it is 92.5%.
# 4..Cameron nodded the fiscal pack through with the caveat he could make a legal challenge...not
completely sure if he has been advised that the legal challenge can only go to the European Court of Justice
who always rule in favour of European intergration............no chance..and UK will not use the caveat anyway..
just tough talk for his euro-sceptics.....all short termism
In Parliament yesterday he mentioned we would use our leverage.....we have no leverage in Europe at the moment.
Like John Major....Cameron is European damaged goods......up an alley with no way out.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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#18
tough talking but hes actually going to stay in the EU
and no referendum
a failed leader
lots of promises
lots of p.r.
but unable to deliver
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Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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#19
Another one in from Reg
by Dave Brown of the Independent
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Wide eyed...and clueless?
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#20
just spotted that comment from reg on cleggy, he did look like he was chewing on barbed wire.
clearly not wishing to be associated with dave on this issue.
