Dame Vera Lynn RIP
- 10 June 2021 10:12370550Thanks Chris
- Keith Sansum1
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11 June 2021 08:26370560I only replied to Sue's opinion that suddenly there's consultants
They were always there's
So she was no different agreeing with consultants nothing political about itALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 11 June 2021 08:42370561I will not continue this dialogue .You never could see the wood for the trees
Discussion ended.Jan Higgins likes this - Jan Higgins
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11 June 2021 09:06370562Sue Nicholas wrote:Discussion ended.
Thank goodness for that.
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------------------------------------------------------------------- - 12 June 2021 12:45370565Just to add balance to the Consultant issue. The majority of grant awards require consultant reports to validate local bids. The consultants tend to be appointed from lists of preferred experts! Taken from the awarding bodies list.
National grants include Dover Town Hall, Kearsney Parks. St James, Town Centre & port developments.Jan Higgins and Brian Dixon like this - Brian Dixon
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12 June 2021 14:37370566thank you for making that clear paul - Keith Sansum1
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13 June 2021 07:32370568There may or may not be a need for consultants (often not) but the theme our Sue was giving the impression was it something new since she left which isn't the case .ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 13 June 2021 07:46370570Not going to argue .How would I know what consultants they have had in the past six years?? I was looking back on my experiences .
- Keith Sansum1
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13 June 2021 07:48370572Discussion Sue
I don't argue lol
As your aware there has always been consultants
Even in your dayALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 13 June 2021 07:55370573My point .?Penny dropped !
- Jan Higgins
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13 June 2021 08:02370574Ok so I am on a short fuse this morning, this page is for discussion about Dame Vera Lynn not tit for tat waffle about consultants, Paul has explained why they are needed.-----------------------------------------------------------------------
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13 June 2021 10:37370578Keith Sansum1 wrote:There may or may not be a need for consultants (often not) but the theme our Sue was giving the impression was it something new since she left which isn't the case .
The theme of "our Sue " was 3 words 'too many consultants' and in your usually inimitable way tried to use it to score cheap points by deliberately mis-interpreting it.
As I've said Lots of times Keith grow up, and stop dragging threads off course for your petty political games.
Dame Vera Lynn: Has anyone more information on how far DDC were along in the CWM scheme and what process they have gone through, to seemingly no longer support that project and switch allegiance to the Vera Lynn scheme?Jan Higgins likes thisArte et Marte - 13 June 2021 10:55370579Reginald, my recollection prior to retirement was that Commonwealth WarGraves Commission were less than supportive of the scheme (not their scheme) . I thought planning applications were being made. English Heritage would have been influential to progress. Lots of connections with Farthingloe scheme which was being re- submitted (wherever that is now). Initial Commonwealth support was positive. All aspects being in place a fundraising phase was to be commenced with Trust/Board to be formed.Brian Dixon, Reginald Barrington and Jan Higgins like this
- Reginald Barrington
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13 June 2021 11:26370580Thank you Paul, I was under the impression that the next phase was planning application, then it seemed to get stuck in the long grass!(Not sure if it was kicked there or it grew around it)
I fear the Farthingloe scheme will rear its ugly head again soon enough.Paul Watkins likes thisArte et Marte - 13 June 2021 15:28370581Paul Watkins wrote:Reginald, my recollection prior to retirement was that Commonwealth WarGraves Commission were less than supportive of the scheme (not their scheme) . I thought planning applications were being made. English Heritage would have been influential to progress. Lots of connections with Farthingloe scheme which was being re- submitted (wherever that is now). Initial Commonwealth support was positive. All aspects being in place a fundraising phase was to be commenced with Trust/Board to be formed.
I've not seen anything to indicate a connection between the now seemingly defunct CWM project and the Farthingloe development proposals. I had assumed (perhaps wrongly) that China Gateway had agreed to cede the necessary land at the Western Heights for altruistic reasons. Their original WH plans were only a sop to assuage public opinion about Farthingloe in the first place.
I'd be interested to know the legal basis for land ownership for either CWM or Dame Vera, whichever wins the day.
As for Farthingloe, HMRC tried to wind up China Gateway in 2019 https://www.thegazette.co.uk/notice/3456010 but were apparently unsuccessful. They have subsequently published accounts showing considerable losses but are being propped up in the day-to-day activities by another rather shady looking company, Highcliffe Investments Ltd, with which they have entered some sort of partnership.
CG are speculators pure and simple. Their original board had 'groper' Elphicke's undying support. Whether that remains in the current local Tory set-up is beyond me. However, time has elapsed and the main protagonists have passed away. The company now is under the sole control of a Cambodian resident (but of British nationality) who appears to enjoy the continuing support of their main backers - the Israeli Discount Bank. Their support is predicated on the assumption that planning permission will one day be granted for this vastly inappropriate development by a compliant council. They desperately need this for the company to have any meaning or value at all since their Manston interests have dissipated.
However, local opposition remains vigilant and will aways enjoy the support of Elphicke's much villified adversary - Campaign for the Protection of Rural England.
This whole thing remains a planning scandal which has cost the taxpayers of Dover several hundred thousands of pounds in a grossly mismanaged piece of local politics.
So, yes Reg, expect it to rear its ugly head sometime again.Weird Granny Slater, Ross Miller and Brian Dixon like this - Brian Dixon
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13 June 2021 17:17370582may be better placed some where along the sea front, easy access for those who havent got a car, - 5 March 2022 09:15375285It would appear that common sense has prevailed and the plans for amphitheater have not been given a grant. The fundraising effort has had limited success - hopefully another white elephant avoided (until the next mad scheme is announced). Wonder how much money was wasted on fees again and the big bash at the Town Hall to kick it off!Captain Haddock and Jan Higgins like this
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5 March 2022 09:56375290Arthur wrote:
In this area she has already been remembered by having that path named after her so I tend to agree with this comment.
"EgonSpengler wrote:....Sadly someone that is too irrelevant to people under 60/70 years old with no real connections to the area - a tribute in her own town is more relevant"Arthur likes this-----------------------------------------------------------------------
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5 March 2022 21:51375318I think she has been remembered
And it can be overplayedALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS