howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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12 January 2009
19:5512625#1
brighton city council has initiated a communal bin service as an alternative to a black bag collection service.
they blame the poor seagulls for attacking the bags and leaving the streets rubbish strewn.
this can only work in roads/streets that have the necessary space.
food for thought for the fuhrer and his cohorts?
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12 January 2009
20:1712629#2
Exactly what they do on estates in Spain. They look grotesque & when full have bags strewn all over the place.
I'll watch with interest. Might be a solution in some areas,although I'm not considering it for us having just gone thru. our recent changes.
Interesting article by Christopher Booker in Sunday Telegraph about paper/cardboard being used for biomass heating systems. Apparently our government have misread EU regs & we could apply this to sustainable energy requirements.
Watty
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12 January 2009
20:2812634#3
Spotted this in St Leonards near Hastings at the weeoend, can't say that I was very impressed with the look of several of these up the roads...
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12 January 2009
20:3512637#4
Case made Paul, thanks.
Watty
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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12 January 2009
20:3712639#5
the main problem we have with our rubbish strewn streets is caused by humans not seagulls.
i have lived here 6 and a half years and my rubbish has been attacked only twice, each time it was a gangland thing as the gulls had a right go at my neighbours bags too.
if we all use strong bags, tied up properly and placed at the boundary of our property(as the rules state) on the correct day, the the problem would be mostly solved.
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12 January 2009
20:4112641#6
John , I see you are online, what is the seagull problem like in Tower Hamlets?
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12 January 2009
22:5012677#7
..and the street i parked in they were in the street and in blocks of 2 or 3
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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12 January 2009
22:5312679#8
that is the thing i am not comfortable with.
the system can only work where there are gaps in housing or in a car park for a flat complex.
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12 January 2009
23:3412683#9
Paul,very bad and twice a year it is even worse,that is in May they have thier young and in the Summer they have a field day.I might add it is not just Tower Hamlets but right across the Town.I have been attacked because I had a youngster which had fallen off my bathroom roof,as I was trying to put it back wrapped in a towel to protect me,the Parent was attacking me.So there I was climbing a ladderwith a seagull under my arm,with an umbrella above my head it was not a pretty sight,and I daren't tell you what happened when I was deputy Mayor when I was out with Stewart Dimmock,all I will say is I smelt of fish for a week.
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
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12 January 2009
23:4412684#10
One of the worse places is High Street/London Road as there are so many take aways and people drop food up the roads and pavements which brings them out.Also some of the traders put thier sacks/bins out late at night and they are pulled to pieces.I often cycle up the road at 6am and the poor road sweepers who are doing thier best but fighting a losing battle.In my opinion the problem would be done away with if everyone had a dustbin and put thier black sacks in them.
We also have many foxes and they will tear a bag to pieces as well,saw one in Dour Street the other day.The other thing is people will put thier sacks out days in advance not just the night before.
I am lucky every Wednesday night I bring the bins out from my back yard and put them by my front gate then MRS JHG who gets up at 4am puts them out on the path at 5am,this is because we are at the start of the Thursday round and the Binmen comes about 06.30.
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
13 January 2009
06:2412685#11
Foxes are a major problem in some of the Housing services I manage in London - the only way is to use Wheelie bins - the smaller bins allow foxes to climb in or to pull them over. They might help with seagulls as they hve a lid.........
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13 January 2009
11:3812701#12
Those Communal bins are a terrible eyesore, they do nothing to improve the look of the local environment, we have a problem with seagulls where we are, but lidded bins do deter them.
Wouldn't it be better if the larger green wheelie bins were supplied to all householders where they could be kept off the street until collection day, which as Bern rightly said they would cancel out the fox problem as well.
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13 January 2009
14:0412710#13
Sorry Colette but these are not the answer either,yes I agree that the bins are a good idea but in many houses in Dover you have no front garden so you would have to take your wheelie bin through your house and leave it on the pathway,
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
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13 January 2009
14:0512711#14
Good idea - keeps the bags off the street and hard to tip over, up in Peckham / Camberwell they are painted to liook a bit like huge (Fresian?) cows in stunning black and white pattern.
My kids always say they want one when we pass them (the bins, not the real cows)..
Oh Boy!, That'll be the day.........
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13 January 2009
16:5612723#15
John has it right, there are areas where wheelie bins are totally inappropriate. You need flexibility in collection type. Howard highlighted front gardens where sacks etc were permanently left for collection. The same would apply to wheelies & as with the large skip type bins that started this thread are just as unsightly. Some people could not care less of course.
Watty
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13 January 2009
18:3312738#16
And there are far too many people who couldn't care less, especially up the Folkestone Road and some surrounding roads.
There are some premises with the large commercial wheelie bins, but they still have 10, 15 and even 20 black bags on top and at the side of them - and they're there for days on end, which is obviously unsightly but also a serious health hazard.
These offenders should have letters sent to them (I know that some have and it has helped in many cases) advising on the proper procedures and management of their waste reminding them of collection days; if they still continue, they should be fined - why should everyone else suffer because a few lazy people couldn't care-less ?
Roger
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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13 January 2009
20:1412745#17
surely prosecutions should result, not letters
there are 3 houses together on the beautiful folkestone road that have been "worked" on for about 5 years now,
builders rubble and normal household waste are strewn all over the frontage and sometimes the pavements.
if one takes a close butchers at these houses, some are quite beautiful, the road should be a show case for dover.
13 January 2009
21:3712766#18
Consequences again - we always need consequences, or nothing changes.
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14 January 2009
08:2412779#19
Just before Christmas whilst picking up one of my charges from Folkestone Road we saw a lady of ethnic origin going through all the black bags and just throwing down stuff she didn't want. She did it at the house we were opposite and when the owner shouted at her she just looked at her and carried on to the next house. When we came back down some ten miniutes later she was going up Elms Vale Road still scavenging. This is why we have to be so careful what we throw out too - identity theft is rife these days, I shred anything with a name and address on it, even adverts.
Incidentally, I bought a couple of dustbins with clamp on lids for a tenner each and they do stop seagulls getting at my rubbish. I keep them on my little front yard because I can't carry them through the house. When I get back from my school run I lift the bags out ready for the binmen - seems to work for me.
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14 January 2009
09:4212787#20
What's wrong with needing consequences Bern ? it's the same as having reasons to do things - the reasons are that there is a health hazard and it certainly is unsightly and lowers the tone of any area and of course encourages other people to just discard their rubbish - becauser every one else has.
It needs a much tighter grip.
Roger
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