howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
charlie has made more gaffes in 2 years than gwyn did in all the years he served.
so far the castle that has nothing going for it, our run down seafront now our derelict stations.
i am sure someone can add the others that don't spring to mind.
as for outflanking the harbour board all that has happened is more delay to the eventual outcome of the port.
Guest 715- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
- Posts: 2,438
BarryW, you would defend him regardless, it is a matter of opinion regarding his lack of local knowledge and as always it is only your opinion that is of any value.
Charlie is being totally outshone by Laura Sandys in local issues and it is a pity she is not putting her energy and drive into Dover and Deal rather than photo opportunity Charlie.
Audere est facere.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
- Posts: 10,247
Gaffes, Howard - no not at all. If it was not for Charlie then the Port would by now be in the hands of a foreign investor. The Labour government were ready to sign off the deal when they lost office.
As for Gwyn, he was a failure and waste of space. Do nothing and you do not leave any impression of making mistakes, Gwyn's mistake was just that, he did nothing. Look at 2005 and the hospital, the easiest example. Warned by PaulW of a problem he claimed Paul was scarmongering on the basis of what GP was told by officials, GP was lazy enough to just take their word and PaulW was proven right.
Oh, Martin... Not necessarily....I agree with him and using the two particular matters here:
DHB have neglected the seafront, it was SeaChange money that we can thank for half of the promenade, the other half is a mess and ruins the whole, there was no SeaChange cash for that so DHB neglects it. Then there was the privatisation - when you fight and campaign you want to hit the headlines, make waves - using a national icon and colourful language is a way to do that and attract attention. To suggest using the cliffs is a gaff is to ignore the publicity value in the campaign. It was good for the campaign and I would most certainly would have done the same if I was in that position and thought of it!
DT1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 15 Apr 2008
- Posts: 1,116
I think Mr Elphicke is a good MP. I would even agree that he has been more proactive and effective than our previous MP.
As for local knowledge, he lived and Sandwich and now lives in Deal. Anyone this local would not make such mistakes, unless they were intentional.
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
the only time mp's are good is when they retire to there sheep farms.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
good to see you sticking up for your neighbour darren.
charlie and barry conveniently forget that the dhb part of the seafront is undergoing a facelift, a long thread started by paulb has followed the progress.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Marine (former) train station is also ear-marked for roof restructuring, at a cost of £10 million.
It would appear, from Charlie's comments, that he knows not of this, and one can conclude, quite reasonably, that he did not have a part in the campaigning, sponsoring, lobbying that led to the decision to repair the former Marine station, nor to carry out works at the Castle last year (when scaffolding was up), nor to refurbish the seafront, as otherwise he wouldn't be making these statements.
He evidently does not visit Dover often!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
does seem that way alex - still thinks norfolk line plies a trade across to dunkirk.
maybe he enjoys the commons debate a little too much?
Guest 656- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
- Posts: 2,262
Gwyn Prosser was certainly not out of his depth or hopeless nor any of the other awful words used to describe him above.
Barry, please exercise some degree of restraint and keep things in perspective.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
- Posts: 4,010
# 29....Agree.
``keep things in perspective``
...thats a bit demanding ColetteB.....
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,942
collette
sadly we are talking barryw here.
to be fair gwyn was an ok M.P. no lefty enough for me and certainly a bit of non rebel.
he did ok, otherwise wouldnt ave served the 13 years or so.
charlie started well, but hes fallen off lately
ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
aha barryw is in the gaffe house,oops sorry dog house.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
- Posts: 10,247
Colette - I certainly am exercising restraint and putting GP into perspective. The man was totally hopeless and useless.
Guest 715- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
- Posts: 2,438
In your opinion! others would see him as a good honest MP who served us well..
Audere est facere.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
- Posts: 10,247
He let us down.... time and time again. This is not a Party political comment at all, I have always said that his Labour predecessor who served to 1974, David Ennals was a good constituency MP. I have known GP since he was first elected to DDC and he was out of his depth even at that level, so much so that he was the first councillor to my knowledge who felt he had to resort to very personal abuse in the Council Chamber. In the 4 years I had served before him I had never experienced the like.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
- Posts: 10,540
Gwyn was a good Labour MP but not a good Constituent MP.
Roger
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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constituency or constituent roger, quite a difference between the two?
i found him to very good at the latter, when my hearing was going wrong and i was told that the waiting list was over a year i contacted him and explained i couldn't do my job without one he put pressure on all the right people and i got one within 8 weeks.
i have been told by many people that he has helped them with problems.
being re-elected twice in a marginal seat must mean a strong personal vote.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
- Posts: 10,540
I don't disagree with your last sentence Howard; most local elections are decided on central government issues and generally, Governments lose, more than oppositions win.
Roger
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
this from the "they work for you" website.
Charlie Elphicke: Does the Minister recognise the frustration of high
street traders in Dover and Deal, who have to pay high business rates
while charity shops conducting business for profit get a complete
exemption? The traders feel that that is an unfair competitive advantage
and a distortion of the competitive playing field. Will Ministers
examine the rightness and properness of the exemption?