Terry Nunn
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 4,316
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Lets hope that if they do, they spend a few happy moments trying out the defibrillator on each other.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,897
Agreed Peter, sadly I doubt it will be safe for much more than a week but I certainly hope I am proved wrong.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
another has been put in the entrance to dolphin house in market square which acts as a toilet for some of our thirstier citizens.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Should just have a mandatory 12 month sentence for theft of the unit
Display on the unit and built in tracker
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 14,118
With the cost of £1000each this is the wrong place to have it + you do need training before you use it ,They could get nicked as well and I can see that happing over the next week or so there will be a buyers market for them,so they must be removed now and put in a place of trust .
Guest 1031- Registered: 22 Aug 2013
- Posts: 41
How sad to read the negative comments the siting of a life saving defibrillator has generated. The need to site them in readily accessible locations is obvious, which is why sometimes they appear so vulnerable to mindless vandalism.
In some towns they are located in 'places of trust' as Mr Matcham mentioned, i.e. late night food outlets and pubs and also in willing local residents houses.
Guest 1033- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
- Posts: 509
They're not negative, just realistic.
Guest 720- Registered: 20 Jul 2011
- Posts: 114
In defence of Amanda, yes the comments are negative. Even the title of the thread implies a problem from the start, and might even be construed as a challenge to those who might be tempted to mis-use it.
It's another example of something positive being done, but turned into another negative topic. No sooner have they been put in place, than someone on the Forum - Vic in this case - is calling for them to be removed.
Is it any wonder "nothing gets done in Dover" - as so many Forum correspondents keep complaining. For heaven's sake let's get positive!
I'm with you Amanda!
Guest 977- Registered: 27 Jun 2013
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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We enjoy complaining it makes use happy.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,897
Having seen demonstrations on TV of how the defibrillator is used they are designed so virtually anyone can use them, they literally talk you through what you have to do.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
i didn't know that, my first thoughts were that the two i have seen would have been safer in the nearest 2 big shops.
in the first case marks and spencer in the second rather ironically the heart foundation charity shop with signs in the window to indicate they are there.
reading subsequent posts i realise that shop hours negate this, pub hours are better but they have to close too.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Jan, any fool can use a defribrillator under instruction - on the right patient. But first you have to make a reliable diagnosis of ventricular fibrillation otherwise you may do more harm than good, for instance if someone has collapsed with an epileptic seizure.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 14,118
There are very few of the public walking around after 2230hrs in Dover so the need for one after that time is very small so taking in that is true any late night shop etc would be Ok in the town centre I would think the bingo hall would fit the bill ,as I said anywhere on a outside building makes a big risk of it geting nicked or damge.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,897
Peter, they are only for use on those not breathing, the following link shows IF and how to use one.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-13037602-----------------------------------------------------------------------
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I do hope they are moved today.
Guest 667- Registered: 6 Apr 2008
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It is good to see these being available so leave them where they are and see how it goes there is no 100% correct place to put them. Heart attacks, accidents etc are not confined to shopping hours, they happen 24/7 so they need to be available 24/7.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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You would not say that if you got the bill of well over £1000 to replace it. If it is taken the town will not have any cover at all.They should be taken in Late at night and put out nextday
Guest 977- Registered: 27 Jun 2013
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Some details from the manufacturers website that I put above that will answer most of these negative comments -
"An automated external defibrillator is used in cases of life threatening cardiac arrhythmias which lead to cardiac arrest. The rhythms that the device will treat are usually limited to:
1.Pulseless Ventricular tachycardia (shortened to VT or V-Tach) [1]
2.Ventricular fibrillation (shortened to VF or V-Fib)
AEDs, like all defibrillators, are not designed to shock asystole ('flat line' patterns) as this will not have a positive clinical outcome. The asystolic patient only has a chance of survival if, through a combination of CPR and cardiac stimulant drugs, one of the shockable rhythms can be established, which makes it imperative for CPR to be carried out prior to the arrival of a defibrillator.
Automatic refers to the unit's ability to autonomously analyse the patient's condition, and to assist this, the vast majority of units have spoken prompts, and some may also have visual displays to instruct the user.
The location of a public access AED should take in to account where large groups of people gather, regardless of age or activity. Children as well as adults may fall victim to sudden cardiac arrest (SCA)
When these protective cases are opened or the defibrillator is removed, some will sound a buzzer to alert nearby staff to their removal, though this does not necessarily summon emergency services."
And if you look at the outside of the box the sequence is explained - dial 999, do CPR, use the AED if it's needed in that order. The device will analyse the patients heart rhythm first and if it's not appropriate to use it then it won't work.
