#21
Barryw its murder all the same, suffering should never be classed as fun.
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#22
Murder - no its nature.
#23
Typical torie .
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#24
Do you want a membership form Mel with Mark
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
#25
Yeap .
#26
Marek old chum, you ask a good question: "What amazes me is that we (i.e. man) assume to have the power of what should live and die whether it be the poor fox or the manic depressive murderer.What makes man so superior?"
The answer is, "we have a superior brain to all other creatures and use it to our advantage".
A question for you, "Why else is the planet so well developed and most of the nasty stuff Mother Nature invented (smallpox, cholera etc) under control? Not because a brown bear had a wheeze of an idea in the forest one day. Man, and his ability to use the strengths given him that's why.
Amazing to see so many defending foxes llegedly despite three badly mauled children. If a Roittweiller had done these attacks there would be hell to pay. So, I reckon our attitude towards foxes comes down to the fact that most of us grew up loving Basil Brush!
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#27
The rottweiller would be treated as the single animal that committed the act Sid, we`re talking here of a mass cull.
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#28
"Typical torie" Melissa
Yes, I accept that, practical, sensible and hard headed, not distracted by sentimental wooley minded baloney. Just the kind of people needed to run the country.
#29
Well not sure on that one Barry. Is that the conlib honeymoon that means that ?
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#30
sid
nature provides most of the cures for human ills.
most modern diseases are caused buy us and our lifestyle.
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#31
#26 Strengths evolved Sid, not given, and as you say, it`s all down to our brain size and superiority. Regarding three children mauled though doesn`t come into the equation regarding culling the fox, whether they`re my children or yours. As I said above, it`s our species which has created the situation in the first place, and the fox isn`t educated as to what it can eat and what it can`t, even if it`s us.
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#32
I used to hunt, to my shame. It was what we did then, and I enjoyed the riding and the social stuff - it was a class thing - we, the riders, expected the "others" to manage the horses and dogs and create our event and we hunted and drank. The fox was an unfortunate by-product. It is piffle to say that the only way to manage foxes is to allow dogs to chase and rip them up - just read that sentence and spot the idiocy.
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#33
barry
the townie and country bit is a red herring.
the countryside is filled with"townies" that commute or own a second home.
sentimentality does not come into it, humanity does.
i watch my cat destroy and eat beautiful songbirds, when there is a big bowl of her favourite food indoors.
i accept her behaviour because it is her nature and not been educated otherwise.
we are humans and advanced, i wonder how many people that take pleasure in torturing animals can be trusted with children.
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#34
Thanks for your honesty Bern, the post of the thread
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#35
I`ll second that MRP, and good points there from Howard.
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#36
Interesting to see just how this thread has developed from me suggesting a cull of a ferocious and indiscriminate killer (unlike most animals, foxes kill more than they need to, or can eat) to a thread about class bigotry.
At no stage, apart from the thread title, aimed at getting a few viewers, or spin if you like, have I actually recommended a return to fox hunting. No, that's not for me. I am suggesting a major massacre of this vermin and don't really care whether its poison, shooting, gassing or whatever, just get rid.
Yet somehow, there is still this stupid notion that foxes are cuddly and sweet. I suppose Myra Hindley appeared that way to some, well at least one anyway, too.
Good post Bern, an informed opinion, thanks.
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#37
nice try sid.
foxes are only dogs, some people welcome them as visitors, others don't.
we have had countless stories in the press about "staffs" mauling babies, this is the first fox in my memory that has gone on the turn.
when i lived in ilford prior to moving here, i had regular visits from foxes, one mother displayed her cubs in front of me, in summer i used to have squirrels shinning up the drainpipe, entering my living room.
maybe one of them could have been psychotic, just part of life.
i took the chance, thoroughly enjoyed the visits.
#38
I think this one is going to rumble on for some time. I find myself surprisingly, not the least involved as I have no view point either way.
I do have one question that no one has ever satisfactorily answered. and it is this. "What happens to old hunting dogs when they become to old for the hunt"
I have never been involved in anything to do with fox or deer hunting the few people that I have asked this question have not once given me a straight answer. I assume that these dogs are unsuitable to be domesticated so what does happen to them???
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#39
A more prevelant pest to farmers are rabbits. There are far more crop farmers than chicken farmers. The fox is a natural predator of rabbits.
Urban foxes are more of a problem, bought on by mans delight in disposing of foodstuffs carelessly. When the bin bags go out here in Aycliffe they are as likely to be ripped open and their contents scattered by foxes as they are by seagulls but I somehow can't imagine a line of beaters followed by the tally-ho cavalry riding down St David's Avenue to solve the problem.
Fox hunting has never been a 'control' measure and it is a fallacy the pro fraternity keep bringing up to defend the indefensible. Where urban foxes are a problem trapping and humane disposal is a far more logical and civilised response, just as it would be if a dog had attacked children.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
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#40
spot on chris.