Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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15 August 2010
22:5365653Did anyone catch this fleeting bit of Dover this evening on BBC1 - available on their website
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00thlx9
They mainly covered the SS Falcon that caught fire and was beached at Langdon Bay on 28th October 1926 the old Pathe newsreel can be viewed still.
http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=14895Been nice knowing you :)
Guest 650- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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16 August 2010
09:2565661I saw bits of it. Being a folkie/folklorist kind of person, I found Ed and Will's niche philosophy interesting and novel - and their singing wasn't bad either. Maybe they should have a programme of their own, in the style of the Hairy Bikers - something like "The Hairy Leggers Song Tour of Britain".
Fascinating. We could discover different hidden worlds - of boggarts, and gremlins, of silkies and laidley worms, and customs like cheese-rolling, tar barrels, and pancake racing.
16 August 2010
10:2565663We too enjoyed the Secret Britain programme. Hopefully all these secret places will not get invaded. I had never heard about the wreck off Langdon Bay! I cannot think of one other more or less undiscovered beauty area round here.
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16 August 2010
12:0965673Most interesting programme, and so well presented and entertaining.
MaggieSK - ah, the 'laidley worms' !! Is this one ? (think it is Roman):
It is about 3" across, and made of Bronze, found near Eastry. Has been registered with the Portable Antiquities.
I am still trying to properly identify it. Is it a swan's neck??
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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16 August 2010
13:0765677didn't see the programme, is the langdon bay wreck the bronze age boat that went down about 3000 years ago?
if it is the same one, full details are in our museum.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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16 August 2010
13:2565679There was a bronze age find down there, but the current wreck is from 1926
Been nice knowing you :)
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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16 August 2010
14:1665681apologies paul just re-read your original post.
Guest 673- Registered: 16 Jun 2008
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16 August 2010
15:4465682The Langdon Bay wreck from the Bronze age is a protected site off the Eastern Arm, marked on the Admiralty charts.
Here is the information panel up at the National Trust, click the "Full Size" box under the photo to view detail.
http://shipsintheportofdover.fotopic.net/p57685490.html
The bronze age boat in the Museum was found when preparing to install a storm water pump for the underpass in Townwall Street. It had sunk, probably after being deliberately abandoned, in a freshwater creek off what was then the broad estuary of the Dour, and had been preserved in the tufa and silt.
I know everybody is aware of this stuff but it doesn't hurt to repeat it.
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16 August 2010
16:0165684Interesting piece there from Pathe newsreels, and always a sad sight to see a ship lost, be it at sea or beached on shore. Another interesting thread. When you think you`ve just about seen everything to do with Dover, up pop`s something else.
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
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16 August 2010
16:3365693These are the remains of the SS Falcon in Langdon Bay, with the Dawn Merchant on the horizon.
Another photo here:
http://uk-shore.com/kent/dover/wreckofthessfalconinfanba00027_photo.htmlGuest 650- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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16 August 2010
20:0865741Swans go way back in mythology, and material evidence bears this out Incidentally, when I was little, I always felt so very sorry for the youngest prince of the twelve royal children, whose nettle shirt wasn't quite completed, so he was doomed to have a swan's wing in place of an arm for the rest of his life.
Still, saves carrying a pocket handkerchief, I suppose!
The artefact above, Kath, reminds me of one of those things for taking stones out of horses' hooves!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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16 August 2010
20:2265749i understand that her majesty the queen owns all the swans in our fair land.
must keep her busy running around the country throwing stale bread at them.
Guest 641- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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16 August 2010
21:0665754Very interesting programme, I've walked the south downs myself in the past for charity and also for pleasure, I've come across a few characters like Ed & Will, brought back some nice memories
. Looking forward to the next instalment.
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16 August 2010
21:5565762Howard...
You might find the following site interesting
http://www.royal.gov.uk/RoyalEventsandCeremonies/SwanUpping/SwanUpping.aspx
From the site...."This ownership is shared with the Worshipful Company of Vintners and the Worshipful Company of Dyers, who were granted rights of ownership by the Crown in the fifteenth century. Nowadays, of course, the swans are no longer eaten."
I wonder what swan tastes like, a bit duck or goose or is it completely different.
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16 August 2010
22:0765769That bronze thing makes me think of something to hang a pot on. How exciting to find something like that. It has always been my ambition to find a neolithic hand axe but I don't suppose I ever will now.
I do not think it is a swan, as it has a sort of crest at the back and the beak is wrong. Could it be a heron or a crane?
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16 August 2010
22:0865770Chicken !
Been nice knowing you :)
16 August 2010
22:1265772Am not!
16 August 2010
22:5865784It could be a Viking or Saxon dragon clasp or brooch.
16 August 2010
23:0865787Re swans, paraphrased from "Keepers of the Kingdom by Bruce, Calder, Cator
Queen's Swan Marker
Monarchs since the 13th century have employed a member of the household to protect these royal birds; known variously as Swan Keeper, Swan Master or Swan Marker, each has supported by a Swanherd of qualified helpers.
In 1895 killing a swan would get the perpetrator 7 weeks hard labour and today stealing, killing or maiming a tame swan is still an act of larceny punishable via the Malicious Damage Act.
Swans need a six feet diameter nest site and the Swan Marker is responsible for seeing these are protected from ever increasing river traffic.
Swan Upping is not conducted by the Swan Marker, but by Oxford University who use this exercise to check on the health of the birds. The banning of lead weights for fishing has improved swans' health significantly and this change came as a direct result of the Swan Upping exercises.
17 August 2010
10:3765847After reading Sid's interesting post, I am wondering if the black swans that are beginning to spread also belong to the Queen? I have seen them on the Norfolk Broads.
