Keith Sansum1
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well well post 40 starting to open up this debate a bit
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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All this kind of bogus and daft so called research by left wing commentators cannot get away from the fact that we have a serious economic situation and it is exactly the kind of big spending politics so beloved of Reg that has got us into this state of affairs.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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well barryw
no reply to the financial whizz kid on tv recently who stated her concerns as a high flyer that the gap between rich and poor is going to get wide and widerover the next couple of years
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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That may be her concern but there are far more worrying things happening, after all what she gets paid does not affect you or I, provided she is not paid out of taxpayers money. If you want to worry about anything, worry about the financial hurricane on its way to Europe that will impact on us too....we will all be affected. All the OBR projections for growth, all the inflation projections, everything will change as a result. All caused by spendthrift governments many of them locked into a crazy currency system.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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barryw
we probably agree on the wider general term of all goverments and there interference
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Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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It was interesting in previous debates a while back when those wanting to withdraw from the EU used to labour up the notion that we could trade with the rest of the world no problem.."we dont need Europe" was often said, "we can trade with the commonwealth etc ". Nobody is saying such things any more, all gone quiet there.
Instead we have leading politicians..Conservative politicians, now in government of course, like George Osborne today lunchtime news.. saying how badly we need the EU to fix its problems otherwise all hell will break loose here. The Prime Minister says the same thing regularly. So a dose of reality has kicked in..trading with far flung unstable places is a dead duck and we all know it...now!
Wonder if UKIP have grasped it yet.
Before, even leading Conservatives, they used to say the EU didnt matter. If it didnt matter why are we all shivering in our financial boots now?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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approximately 40% of our trade is with e.u. member states the same as when we joined the "common market".
as then the balance is inbound, we have seen china and india become more and more important and powerful enough for china to be looking to underwrite the debts of our "rich" nations.
any european union country that is inward looking and just concentrates on trading within its own area is looking for trouble.
brazil and russia are the next two emerging markets that we should be looking to trade with.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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India,is the one we need to keep on ourside
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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that won't happen vic, india sees us as part of the past, we still send them aid which is a bit insulting.
do you remember when dave addressed an audience in india, the total look of disinterest on their faces said it all.
even slagging off pakistan did not get a round of aplause.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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PaulB - That could not be more wrong, that is not what serious advocates of leaving the EU say at all.
The point is that we do not need to be a member of the EU to trade tariff free with the EU. They will not raise trade tariffs against us, because if we left 1/ A tariff war would damage them more than us as we sell to them less than we buy and 2/ we would join the EFTA free trade area and would be subject to the free trade arrangements with the EU exactly the same as the Swiss and Norwegians.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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# 46. Agree.
Cameron`s dithering on his belief in Europe being in Britains interest has confused even his own supporters and
irritated Europe.
Britain is in danger of being a sideshow when the new Treaty of Europe is approved.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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poster 51
you can see that barryw has a firm vision to get out of the EU
whether that is the right route or not
the view is not shared by his own luke warm leader dave
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Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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The first By Election since the EU crisis is being held shortly in Feltham west of London. A former Conservative, fed up with Conservative dithering on the EU, or Conservative mixed messages, is standing for UKIP.
As UKIP are a one note samba in politics, that one note being EU withdrawal, it will now be of specific interest to see if they can make any serious headway in this By-Election. The time is right for them like never before, with the Eurozone experiencing a horrendously difficult crisis. If they cant do it now then its probably time to wrap up the concept and go home.
Although Farage talks a good fight, his repeated message on EU withdrawal has numbed the brains of his audience..numbed through sheer repetiveness, and so far no one has responded at the polls. They have no parliamentary seat despite years of banging this particular EU drum.
The question must be asked now...has the UKIP audience switched off, or will they take a staggering result in Feltham. As I said earlier, if they cant do it now...well...
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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We are geting new members by the 100s each day but that is not the case in Dover,we are geting them now and then.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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Vic all parties seem to put a spin on getting new members. I suspect what you see in Dover is really what happens elsewhere but membership listing is always spun..or so it seems. The Labour Party are also claiming hordes of new members so its a common trait amongst political parties. Although to be fair I havent heard the Conservatives claiming such recently. Some of their guys have joined UKIP because of frustration with the Tory position on the EU...Lord Hesketh recently and cleary the guy standing in Feltham (see post #53 above) he has an unspellable Greek name..will look it up in due course.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Yes I was aske to go and help at Feltham,but I had to turn them down.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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well lets hope barryw gets daves support to withdraw from the uk
but i think that is never going to happen
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