Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
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#1
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#2
Very sad indeed, but it needn't have come to that, there was help available.
I don't know the exact criteria given by the Government as to how people are assessed.
Not meaning to make light of this, perhaps there is an "s" missing from the company name, as they don't seem to give a toss.
Roger
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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#3
you may have hit the nail on the head roger.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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#4
# 2.....``.I don't know the exact criteria given by the Government as to how people are assessed.``
Culture is always `trickledown`
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#5
a physiotherapist makes the decision about the fitness of a blind man's ability to work!!
sounds true to form with atos.
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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#6
its the way it was all thought out
or not as the case may be
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Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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#7
Roger.
"Very sad indeed, but it needn't have come to that, there was help available".
The help that Tim should have been available to him, was not given to him because it is not about caring, it is about cost cutting.
Every single disabled or vulnerable person has a doctor and possibly other professional people, who have their health records and first hand knowledge of their patient, yet there judgments and assessments are being ignored.
Are these professional, well trained people, not capable of being trusted?
If Tim was able to undertake some sort of work, then the help he should have received, was for some one to help him find a job that suited his disabilities, if there was one available, BEFORE cutting off his benefits. He probably wanted to work but could not find a job suitable for him.
Genuine disabled people will always strive to be as able bodied as they can and do not deserve to be treated as scroungers on society, yet this is how they are being branded to get votes.
Tim is not the first, not on his own and sadly will not be the last, this is disgraceful and must be stopped now.
What is being achieved with these cuts?
The cheats are too clever to be caught by this method, that's why so many genuine disabled are being thrown into the mix, simply to get their target bonus's
Are they saving money?
No they are costing more than they will ever save.
All fraud needs to be attacked but is it?
This type of benefit fraud is miniscule as apposed to Tax Fraud, so why is that not being attacked with the same ferocity as atos is doing with our disability benefits?
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#8
Very hard to argue with you there Gary, all governments target those who would never vote for them anyway. Cicero said that politicians are not born, they are excreted, and with very few exceptions his observation still holds today.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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#9
some would vote labour, but they still mutely supported it
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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#10
Wasn't ATOS set up by the labour government ??
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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#11
looking to the future,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#12
atos were originally brought in by the reds to cut the benefits bill, their original assessments were a lot less stringent then.
they will be aware that to keep the contract they will have to show results meaning that their judgements are not based on whether a claimant is fit to work or not.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#13
ATOS do the tests but the decisions are made by the Government.
Roger
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#14
Ignoring the media hype, this particular case would seem to be the result of a wholesale failure of this poor chap's support networks, most notably including his family. He was a functionally blind agoraphobic, yet according to his sister his family were unaware of his financial plight until after his death. How so? Without excusing the failures by social services, one has to ask why his family left him to his fate. We can't expect the state to do everything for us. Charity begins at home.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#15
the article strongly suggests that the victim was a very private man that would not accept outside help even if it was from his own family. i doubt they were aware of his financial problems.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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#16
Charity only begins at home when the family know the finances are that bad and that family have the funds to help.
I am surprised as he had tried to commit suicide in the past (the cause his sight problem) that the medical profession and Social Services were not more involved.
The Government and tick the box Atos between them have made it almost impossible for even the genuine disabled to receive the benefits they deserve and badly need.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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#17
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Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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#18
Peter.
As I said in my #7 post.
Genuine disabled people try their best to live as any able bodied person does and in the main keep their everyday problems to themselves, even from their close family members and even their carers.
A genuine disabled person will try to respond to any request by an assessor, IE walk bend etc because they are honest people.
Those not so honest, will not get out of bed for an assessment and know how to work the system.
This is why honest people are being persecuted.
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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#19
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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#20
#17,#19.....a lot of pies there kieth.
