Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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24 September 2010
21:1272357As religion appears to feature in a few threads here I thought it would be interesting to post a link here to a very informative website answering many of the myths and misconceptions the religious folk hold about Atheists. Obviously nothing here is any more conclusive than any of the religious answers but it does help to promote a better understanding.
http://atheism.about.com/od/atheismmyths/a/AtheistsFoxhole.htm
Of course it will only do this for those prepared to read it but at least Rick, Bern and I will have something else to discuss.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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24 September 2010
21:2572365interesting read chris, however when i spotted the reference to "paul watkins - friend of the godless" it turned my stomach.
just to think that he is in charge up at the fort.
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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24 September 2010
21:2672367I noticed that one too. I wonder if they are related or is there something he should be telling us.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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24 September 2010
21:3072370the toilets will never get sorted at this rate.
every time that a decision is put on the table he will have to contact satan for approval.
doesn't bode well.
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24 September 2010
21:3772372Me too I hope Chris, an interesting topic and link.
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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24 September 2010
21:4972376Of course Colin. I like the bit about foxholes as I have used the same argument in the past. I heard a quote once that went something like "there were no dead christians in foxholes that hadn't prayed". It was also reported that a group of rabbis in Auschwitz voted that god did not exist, I have read it in a couple of books but have been unable to find the source; as yet.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
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24 September 2010
21:5572378the rabbis may have still believed, but in the situation they were in may have concluded that "business was business".
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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25 September 2010
07:4672393Interesting Chris...
but you know whats fascinating about all the recent threads on religious topics..
it is just how fascinated atheists are with religion. Whereas the religious on the other hand are not particularly bothered either way about atheists. Take our Rick for example, a prolific writer on religion, he never posts about anything else, yet he is a confirmed atheist!
Fascinating and fascinated by religion..but whats it all about?
I dunnooo...
Once upon a time the religious were obsessed by non-believers. Off they went daily to convert as many to their faith as possible. Now the boot seems to be on the other foot. Its the atheists that seek to convert. Funny old world, its turned on its head.
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25 September 2010
07:4972394PAULB
I'm, of the opinion everyone to there own, live and let live,
but your comments are interesting
ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS
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25 September 2010
08:0172401http://www.famousquotesandauthors.com/
ChrisP
Try the above site to find your quote..
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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25 September 2010
08:4772414interesting point made by paul, with things turning round completely maybe the atheists will start their own inquisition?
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25 September 2010
09:3872419Interesting comments above from PaulB, but the only thing I would mention on a personal basis is that I never seek to convert anybody to becoming an athiest, and it`s only since these current thread`s on here that I`ve realised how many there are. I get angry at these new religious group`s springing up in the State`s, and as I`ve said before, any politician who says he`s an atheist is committing poltitical suicide,and that is wrong. Individuals are getting very rich quick from gullible follower`s. On this side of the water, my dislike for the way the Vatican has behaved over recent centuries and in modern times,(regarding the other thread), hasn`t endeared them to me, though again, they have changed alot now. My sole interest in life is to get out there and start colonising our planetary system. There are different world`s up there with alien landscapes that would surely put alot of what we`ve got down here in the shade. I don`t like these religious thought`s that someone is up there to look over us and protect us from some stray rock causing a catastrophic event, and millions or billion`s perishing. It can happen, it will happen, it`s happened times before, it could be next week or a million years, but it will happen. The trouble is, a gullible, uneducated, God fearing public, are always going to believe that some entity up there won`t let it happen. What an insurance risk that is! And, spending large amount`s of money on space projects, just doesn`t win vote`s I`ve read.
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
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25 September 2010
11:0272432Interesting point PaulB but rather proves a point. From your earliest days you are subjected to religion in both subtle and blatant forms. Religious parents will, as a matter of course, include religious themes in the normal day to day activities. Schools, even state schools, blanket the young minds with religion at an age when children are most susceptable to suggestion. Two and two is four, the battle of Hastings was fought in 1066 and Jesus was the son of god, all presented by authority figures with nothing to differenciate between fact and belief. I know of schools that use hymns and prayers as 'convenient' class breaks. Sunday school and even groups such as the cubs and girl scouts regularly include church parades and prayers as part of their activities. In later life those who consider themselves in anyway religious will pepper their language with religious references such as, "I thanked god for such a nice day". Even the most mundane postings on forums include name checks for god almost as a matter of course.
Being religious in our world is easy and requires almost no thought, it is all there for you and spoon fed on a continuous basis. To realise that you are an Atheist requires thought and continuous questioning, although, as has been demonstrated time and again, the questions you answer tend to be the same ones over and over again.
To use a cliche, at the end of the day all religions are concerned with death, dying and what to do to prepare for and ensure ease once you have died whereas Atheists are concerned with life and how to live it, knowing that once dead your body lives on as fertiliser for the next generation.
Anywat, as the Pope's recent remarks prove, the religious are still very much obsessed with those they cannot convert.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
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25 September 2010
11:3072438colin
not many countries where it is important to be religious in order to advance in politics, if you are suggesting the states i would agreee with you, but in the soviet union and associated countries behind the iron curtain it would have had the opposite effect.
in china today religion is positively discouraged for their 1.3 billion population.
the so called evil "north korea" is totally atheist and at the same time the biggest threat to world peace.
moving on to the space programme the american public basically got bored with it and starting looking at the huge costs.
bear in mind they are only now starting to provide decent health care to their less well off citizens.
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25 September 2010
12:0072447A religious fanatic of Biddenden:
"During Divine Service on Sunday last, a religious fanatic paraded the town (of NEW ROMNEY) with his hat in one hand and a book, supposed to be the Bible, in the other, calling on the inhabitants to prepare themselves against the 'Northern Army' and other like expressions.
After taking a circuit through the town, he entered the church in the midst of the service where he remained till the conclusion; and then departed towards Lydd.
He was dressed in a white frock and blue trousers.
His long black hair flowed wildly on his shoulders.
It appears his name is George MUNDAY and he is a shoemaker with a family at Biddenden."
(Dover Telegraph 7 Mar 1840 back page col.4)
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25 September 2010
15:1072460Chris P - we also indoctrinate our children with the idea that killing people is a bad thing and we shouldn't steal. Society does that. A good society, and a good school, will teach a faith if it chooses to but also encourage debate and discussion - that is how we operate in our house, with an Atheist (very very much Atheist!!)Old Man, a Catholic Matriarch and free thinking expected. Parents have the right to teach their children a set of standards or a life code if they choose to. And my own, personal (personal, mind, and I don't expect you or anyone else to share it!!!), view in my faith is very much about life and how we live it, the code we live by and what we do. It is about fun and responsibility, about respect and duty. And Life preceeds Death, so how we live often informs how we die.
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25 September 2010
16:1072462I suppose the view I take is that I have travelled the world widely and been lucky to witness different cultures and faiths where the children with some sort of belief were generally loved,cared for ,polite and well behaved.They had some sense of order and discipline. I then visit the inner city godless estates and see unloved,unwashed drug fuelled drunken violent sex crazed kids as young as 10 yrs roaming the streets causing havoc and destruction and making other peoples lives a misery.
I often wonder what is the reason behind the difference...doh.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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25 September 2010
20:5472486i know what you are saying there, but we need to remember that in the west consumerism has taken over from sprituality, i suspect that things will change for the worse behaviour wise once the third world has access to the goodies in the same way.
25 September 2010
22:1172516howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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25 September 2010
22:1672520well. all i can say after reading posts on the subjects of religion and the "suicide" thread i am beginning to regret getting rid of my gas cooker.
rick
do you not think that your provocative posts have gone far enough?
