Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
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#1
i have been doing some reshearsh on the internet over the last few days,only to find there actully no british people as shuch.by the look of things we seem to be decendants of vikings,germans,dutch,romans,gauls etc.
http://www.questia.com anglo-saxon
http://www.tattooarchive.com/history/keltshtm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/normans
please cheak web sites before making comments thankyou.
there is evan one there for alex.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#2
i don't think that any race or nationality is original.
we hear that the maoris who claim to be the original new zealanders probably came from polynesia.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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#3
it seems so howard,but on one of the web sites it does reckon the kelys where classed as british by the romans.the web site gos on to say that most of the keltic tribes occupied what we now know as scotland and ireland,with ireland being the only true dessendants of the kelts.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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#4
In Ireland Brian we had all sorts of visitors over time too. The Vikings had huge settlements along the east and then south coasts, and they eventually blended into the communities, married and fought alongside the original Irish against other infidel after fighting against them initially, the Normans also lingered at great length, and dem British werent too far behind either. So we are a hotpotch of various cultures blended over time but yes basically Celts, vikings were clearly philandering in my heritage...lol!
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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#5
Actually, yes we are British, really we are all African. It is fascinating, the science of locating origins through Carbon14 in the teeth of the long dead and the g-nome project could throw-up some interesting insights into migration and inter-breeding too.
It is, though, rather difficult to pin down. JFK admitted to being some sort of tea-cake at one point, as I recall.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 683- Registered: 11 Feb 2009
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#6
Brian
I wasn't able to access the websites but my greatest fear is finding that I am related to Barry W
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#7
Brian, the Scots and the Welsh descend from the Celts as much as the Irish do. The same for Manxmen and women and for the Cornish: all of Celtic descent.
The English also descend to a good extent from the Celts, as many of the original Celtic Britons mixed with the Anglo-Saxons, adopting over time the Anglo-Saxon language and gradually amalgamating into one people.
In fact, in the charters of King Ethelbert of Kent, who lived in the 6th century, there is mention of the Britons who were not Anglo-Saxons (or Jutes) and were living in Kent, as their rights are defined and guaranteed in these charters together with the rights and obligations of the Anglo-Saxons (or Jutes) of Kent.
Similar charters concerning the rights of Britons (Britons = Celts) are found in the charters of Wessex.
These Britons eventually started speaking English, and became part of the English People, in Kent, Wessex and elsewhere in England.
In Northumbria, Brythonic, which is a Celtic language, was still spoken in the 13th century in many villages.
Celtic was still spoken in Cornwall and the Isle of Man in the 18th entury! The Scots were speaking Celtic (both the Brythonic and Gaelic versions) even in the days of Robert the Bruce, but gradually started speaking English.
In the Hebrides, many people speak Gaelic (Celtic) today!
In Canada Gaelic is spoken in some communities of Scottish and Irish descent in Newfoundland.
The people of Edinburgh are originally of Anglo descent (from the Angles), which is why they spoke English there when all the other Scots were speaking Brythonic and Gaelic (both Celtic languages).
Vikings (from Norway and Denmark) settled in northern Scotland, Dublin (Ireland), East Anglia and eastern Yorkshire, but were always a minority, and eventually amalgamated with the local English/Scottish Irish populations.
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#8
Among the original inhabitants of Ireland you had the Scoti who migrated across the water because of an influx of Celts. They gave their name to the Northern parts they took over from the Picts. The Normans were originally Vikings, or Norsemen.
The Cornish language, once nearly vanished, has enjoyed a revival of interest in recent years.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#9
much the same as the breton dialect/language is making a return in western brittany.
both languages very similar.
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#10
Chris, quite rightly you point out that the Scoti crossed from Ireland to Scotland, however the Scoti were also Celts.
Infact they spoke Goidelic, which is the old name for Gaelic, and the Irish also spoke Gaelic.
Irish is in fact a Gaelic language, although the name Gaelic is used nowadays to define the Celtic language spoken in the Hebrides and some parts of the Highlands.
Some historians claim that the Scoti, who were at home in Argyl and parts of the Hebrides, may actually not have crossed from Ireland, but simply spoke the same version of Celtic as the Irsish.
However, they did live in common with the Picts in some areas of Scotland. The Picts spoke Brythonic Celtic, and the two groups eventually merged into the Scottish People, forming the Kingdom of Alba. In Gaelic, Scotland is Alba.
There is also historic evidence that a tribe of Picts lived in Antrim, in north eastern Ireland.
The Irish, before moving to Ireland, lived in Britain, and it is even plausible that they originally crossed to Ireland from Scotland, from an area where the coast of Ireland is visible from Scotland.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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#11
thank you mark for the info.just wandering if paulb could make them work/live.many thanks if paul can.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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#12
Brian have tried now to make them work but alas there must be something wrong with the addresses.
The third one...wikipedia now works okay but the two above it...no go Im afraid. They just wont work.
Guest 700- Registered: 11 Jun 2010
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#13
Dialect words and field names (both very interesting) - the early ones are a good indicator of settlers in areas. It is important not to lose them !
As has been said the East coast and Yorkshire are areas of Viking settlement - where a lot of my roots are -
I know my father had Viking ancestry as he developed the problem with the palm of his hand referred to in medical circles as "the Viking gene" - which is more common in those areas.
It would be interesting to have the DNA tests to see where the roots are...
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Lincolnshire Born and Bred
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#14
best not to delve too deeply kath, you could find that you are a descendant of eric bloodaxe or hagar the horrible.
Guest 700- Registered: 11 Jun 2010
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#15
That would be very interesting Howard.... an ancestor of mine was in the Lincolnshire Rebellion ! .. it all adds some colour !
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Lincolnshire Born and Bred
Guest 688- Registered: 16 Jul 2009
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#16
Wessex was a Saxon kingdom and would have given gift short shrift to the Cymri.
Guest 688- Registered: 16 Jul 2009
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#17
Sorry,did not mean gift
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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#18
paulb,thanks for trying for me.
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#19
"I saw behind me those who had gone, and before me those who are to
come I looked back and saw my father, and his father, and all our fathers,
and in front to see my son, and his son, and the sons upon sons beyond.
And their eyes were my eyes.
As I felt, so they had felt and were to feel, as then, so now, as
tomorrow and forever.
Then I was not afraid, for I was in a long line that had no beginning and
no end, and the hand of his father grasped my father's hand,
and his hand was in mine, and my unborn son took my right hand,
and all, up and down the line that stretched from Time That Was
to Time That Is, and Is Not Yet, raised their hands to show the link, and
we found that we were one, born of Woman, Son of Man, made in the Image,
fashioned in the Womb by the Will of God, the Eternal Father."
(from "How Green was my Valley" by Richd Llewellyn)
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#20
That are lovely words, Kath.
Concenring the Anglo-Saxons and Jutes, it is of interest to note that they originate from an area of southern Denmark and northern Germany, and spoke a language very similar to that which the Danes spoke when they arrived 400 years later.
Of-course, their ancestors would have lived elsewhere prior to moving to Scandinavia (of which Denmark is a part), and, as Kath's post 19 describes, we all originate from God's Creation, though no-one knows where the Garden of Eden was.