Guest 1033- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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I don't think this counts as political...
Saw today that they're thinking of making a new law to stop anyone smoking in a car that is carrying children, a very good idea in my opinion, especially as I have given up smoking.
All we need now as far as traffic laws are concerned are for speed limits and mobile phone use in cars to be enforced. What's the point of adding to the number laws that can't be enforced?
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
exactly barrie,they have a job catching drivers using mobile phones let alone those having a fag with the kids in back of the car.a nonsence law again.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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I agree completely Barrie with both sentiments. The number of drivers that I see on their phone is horrendous, interestingly they are more often than not around the thirty to forty age bracket.
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Guest 715- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Impossible to enforce with our ever dwindling Constabulary, unless they are going to use the evidence from fixed cameras?
Audere est facere.
Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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Not one person in the history of smoking has been killed by second-hand smoke and yet they pass a law to outlaw a crafty ciggy behind the wheel.
However, many children have died after being savaged by dangerous dogs and yet........................
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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doubt that many people do still smoke with their children in the car, the police have other things to concern themselves with - use of mobile phone going by this thread and what i see every day.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Mr Phillip P how do you know that sir? Is it because you do it yourself..As a none smoker I would not get in a car if the person was smoking, Any smoke going down into your lungs is very bad and for the very young siting in a car they cannot just get out. if out in the open air thats not so bad ,but siting in a car and this weather the windows will close the only place the smoke is going to go is down onto their lungs and organs which will be no help to breathing.Years ago in the army part of my training as a Medic,was to work in a mortury and take part in cuting up dead bodies to see what killed them, well if you looked at: the pipes inside a smoker and some of a nonsmoker,I do not think you would ever smoke again. the inside of the pipes of the smoker were blocked making breathing very hard in the end 7out of 10 will die,not good odds is it and not a very nice way to go both my mum and dad went that way dad was only 50 mum 62 so very young. So before you light up just think about that.Luck might not be on your side and you could end up the same way,is that fair on your family?,and some are willing to smoke in a car with young ones in there not fair on them is it.?You have a choice if you wish to choke yourself they do not.
Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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........"They would not pass a law if they were told by Drs etc it is not true so I will take their word for it".
Absolutely priceless.
I've printed that quote and shall frame it. I'll hang it in my hall to cheer myself up on dank, wet Tuesdays.
Guest 977- Registered: 27 Jun 2013
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PhilipP wrote:Not one person in the history of smoking has been killed by second-hand smoke and yet they pass a law to outlaw a crafty ciggy behind the wheel.
However, many children have died after being savaged by dangerous dogs and yet........................
Roy Castle Lung Cancer Foundation
Dangerous Dogs Act
You were saying!
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#5 Sorry Philip, I must take issue with you there. I was harmed by my parents' chainsmoking and bear the scars to this day. Smoking in front of children is physical abuse.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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not sure how dogs come into the equation, probably 99% are friendly family pets.
the minority of crackpots that train a dog to be dangerous are hit by the full force of the law.
Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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Roy Castle was an active smoker and not a passive one.
Dangerous dogs act - That went well didn't it? Only an insignificant number of children killed.
I find it hard to believe that anyone has been harmed by passive smoking as a child no matter how much they might think it the case.
The reason I bring dangerous dogs into the equation is because there is absolutely no truth in the myth that passive smoking has killed anyone. On the other hand there is evidence that more than a few people have been killed and thousands severely injured by dangerous dogs and yet politicians still fail to act on this.
Do your own research. The facts don't lie.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Hello? Anyone heard of COPD?
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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a member of the forum suffers from copd, i had never heard of the condition until he mentioned it.
he didn't say what he thought caused it but just avoids going out in cold weather.
Guest 700- Registered: 11 Jun 2010
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Has anyone thought of banning smoking whilst driving? I once saw the result of a driver having dropped his cigarette and bending down to find it in his car, he went straight into a tree, seriously injured.
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Guest 977- Registered: 27 Jun 2013
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#12 Roy Castle was a non-smoker who blamed his lung cancer on passive-smoking when he was a trumpeter playing in jazz clubs.
Andy B
- Location: dover
- Registered: 10 Nov 2012
- Posts: 1,820
Many years ago i dropped a ciggie whilst driving (a Capri) thats how long ago.The window was open and the wind blew it somewhere behind me,wasnt sure where at the time until i started to feel uncomfortable.The ciggie had burnt through my jumper and part of the seat.Back to the main issue,i think its a good idea but we,re short of police as it is so how can it be enforced?Unfortunatly theres some parents who just couldnt give a toss.
Guest 756- Registered: 6 Jun 2012
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I used to smoke and did not realise until I stopped how much I stank. Clothes reeked, even my book collection. I felt so ashamed that I had sent my children to school tarnished with nicotine.
I wish I had never smoked.
Guest 732- Registered: 8 Nov 2011
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Still going to smoke in doors aren't they , I guess these children of smokers are in a no win situation.
Guest 718- Registered: 28 Jun 2011
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In post 14 I think Howard is referring to me. COPD is chronic obstructive pulmonary disease and is the collective name for a number of lung conditions including emphysema and chronic bronchitis. The condition won't improve, but I can stop it getting worse. Yes, I used to smoke - although not heavily - but in my case there is a hereditary factor because both my mother and grandfather also suffered.
Being very much an outdoor person my developing shortness of breath I dismissed as a sign of advancing age, but after the very cold winter of 2010-11 it was clear something was wrong and I was not really surprised when COPD was diagnosed.
Not being one to cave in I decided that the best course of action would be to work life around the problem. Failure here means you will just give up and, for me, that's not an option. As Howard said I now avoid going out unecessarily in cold or wet weather, whereas in previous years this never bothered me at all. I carry a mobility scooter in my vehicle which helps me get to around because more often-than-not I am weighed down with some quite heavy camera equipment, this often includes a large format rail camera which would be a challenge to lug around even if I was 100% fit!
As far as the smoking ban. As I am aware this was the result of a Private Member's Bill tabled by Lord Ribeiro, former president of The Royal College of Surgeons, and not by an opportunistic Commons back bencher. Certainly the law is unenforceable in reality as the overstretched Police have far more important things to concentrate upon.
We are told 30% of the UK population smoke. This figure will be reduced by the number who actually drive, and then again by those who drive with children aboard. To illustrate the irresponsibility and selfishness - which is the target of this Bill - I feel a public awareness campaign should at least have been tried first to prevent yet another addition to an already top-heavy statute book.