Animal Testing for cosmetic reasons
- 27 February 2012 15:47156139Tom I'm not sure if you are aware but this year is the year of using "ing" as little as possible.
Damnit! I did it again. - 27 February 2012 15:51156140didn't work with thalidomide amongst others.
- Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,888
27 February 2012 15:51156141Just signed, this testing is totally unnecessary. Here is their response on Facebook...........
Estee Lauder
In response to some questions we've received regarding animal testing, we would like to clarify our position. More than 20 years ago, we were one of the first companies to end animal testing to substantiate the safety of our products. We would like to confirm that our commitment to end animal testing everywhere has not changed. Our products are not tested on animals except when absolutely mandated by law. We are committed to the universal acceptance of non-animal test methods with the goal of eliminating animal testing. We will continue to invest in scientific research to promote acceptance of non-animal test methods by authorities around the world. Information on our longstanding policy can be found at: http://elcompanies.com/PdfLibrary/Statement_AnimalTesting.pdf.
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I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
------------------------------------------------------------------- - 27 February 2012 16:01156144Thank you Jan. Sadly it does not tell us about their China connections.
- 27 February 2012 16:01156145Sorry to disagree Bern, but this petition is the sort of rubbish that gets propagated on the web, high on emotion, devoid of facts and probably based on Chinese whispers if you'll pardon the pun - from someone who uses this image as her avatar, quite a few cosmetics on show here -
I've just been having a look on the web to try to find the facts and it's nothing like portrayed above.
Here is the EU legislation on cosmetic testing passed in 2009 which will become effective next year, 151 pages to digest before you continue -
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:2009:342:0059:0209:en:PDF
Here is a simple overview in 21 pages of the system in China where there are already 15649 approved ingredients -
http://www.cirs-reach.com/Cosmetics_Registration/Imported_Cometics_Regulation__Registration_China_Hygience_License_CIQ_Label.pdf
And here's a couple of pages overview of the CONSULTATION on changes which involve reclassification of some substance from cosmetics to special cosmetics i.e. things like hair restorers which interfere with you normal metabolism -
http://www.cirs-reach.com/news/China_SFDA_consults_on_re-classification_of_cosmetics_and_adjustment_of_registration_%20requirements.html
And if your Mandarin's up to it here's the info from the Chinese State Food and Drug Administration -
http://www.sda.gov.cn/WS01/CL0781/69195.html
- 27 February 2012 16:25156152I did get my info from a hitherto reliable source, nothing to do with the above, and do feel confident in it. Sadly.
- 27 February 2012 16:47156158Bern, don't get me wrong on this, I don't support unnecessary testing on animals especially for cosmetics.
But this petition is just one of several similar started by a person who promotes herself as a vegan makeup artist (nothing against that either but I'll never be a vegan and have never worn makeup!) and is completely unsubstantiated in its claims. Being an ultra-cynic about such things, until someone can show me confirmation from a substantiated source that this is happening then I won't believe it. - 27 February 2012 16:52156160I am having a go at getting some evidence Ray. No offence taken - if you are right I will make sure to apologise, but I am pretty sure! Give me a while...!
- 27 February 2012 17:08156165Bern, no need for either of us to apologise, it's ok to disagree! I'm really just urging people to be cynical about what they find on the web sometimes
- 27 February 2012 17:08156166Seconded!!
- 27 February 2012 19:30156214When money speaks scruples go out the window!!! Shame on these companies if this is for real. Its completely unnecessary and just senseless cruelty. We already have existing tests that are more than sufficient
- 27 February 2012 20:24156243Trying to get to the bottom of this 'cause I really dislike discussions without facts!
Estee Lauder statement on animal testing here, it says there are against it but doesn't say they don't do it - http://www.elcompanies.com/PdfLibrary/Statement_AnimalTesting.pdf
This appears to be the root of the story but doesn't give any substantiation - https://secure.peta.org/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&page=UserAction&id=3859
It does however give this info which is good - "PETA is financially supporting the efforts of the Institute for In Vitro Sciences (IIVS), which is putting together a coalition of corporate experts, providing training for scientists in China in the use of non-animal test methods, and working with officials there to promote the acceptance of non-animal methods that are used in the U.S., the European Union, and much of the world. "
And a link to an item on the IIVS website showing China is already moving ahead with in vitro testing which is also good - http://www.iivs.org/news-events/news/china-sfda-proposes-first-in-vitro-method-for-cosmetic-phototoxicity/
Article from the Independent last August - http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/fashion/estee-lauder-expands-chinas-cosmetics-universe-2341853.html
Extract from same - "Estee Lauder first moved into China in 1993 and has since been actively catering a selection of its products to local needs. The company cites the Nutritious brand of cosmetics, which was developed specifically with mainland Chinese women in mind but is now sold globally, as one of its major success stories. With its Asia Innovation Center in Shanghai - a facility that combines biology research, treatments, makeup and package testing - the company also claims it will continue to "study Asian skin and identify the needs of Asian women." The company has estimated that US$1 billion (700 million euros) of its sales over the past year have gone to Chinese women across the globe."
So there's a lot more to the story than an unsubstantiated statement from a vegan makeup artist - this story is sure to "run rabbit run"
- 27 February 2012 21:24156266I could never fancy a pig with lipstick.I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
- 27 February 2012 22:05156279you must have met different women to me then peter.
