Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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#1
and you thought Folkestone road has problems.
http://bit.ly/18N02B3howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#2
note that the system of waste and recycling has recently changed and as we know from experience in dover that it takes time for teething problems to be fixed.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#3
The majority of Folkestone Road's waste problem is caused by just a few families, who stubbornly refuse to follow instructions about it, even when explained to them in their own language.
It is not caused by DDC.
Roger
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#4
Why, then Roger, does the council not prosecute the culprits, seeing as how they know who they are?
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 1033- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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#5
Its a shame you couldn't get on to their landlords , in a similar way that you can with derelict buildings, and use the threat of heavy fines to stop the tenants making such a mess.
Sorry, I've just made a bit of an assumption there, assuming they are tenants where they could also be the owners, but the idea still applies.
Sorry Peter. Our posts overlapped.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#6
No problem Barrie, if the occupiers are tenants in their own right there is no case against the landlord unless the house is an HMO. If the council fail to prosecute they are letting the town down, big-time.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#7
at least one is a hmo. although unofficially the lot are with the sheer numbers of people that are in them whether they are meant to or not.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#8
I have very often suggested that it is now time that fines are issued, whether against the landlords (HMOs) or tenants. I am not sure why they haven't been (maybe they have been issued).
Roger
Guest 1033- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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#9
I'm going to bite the bullet now, but this is not personal, because I don't actually know anyone on here...here we go.
On other threads, it has been remarked that immigrants seem to choose the UK in preference to other countries which seem to have better benefit systems, could this post be part of the answer. Would the French of German equivalent of the local authorities let landlords and tenants get away with this behaviour ? I'm pretty sure they wouldn't. This is where Keith B. and I will probably agree:
Some (a lot ?) of the tenants have no desire to work here, or to contribute to our society, and some (a lot?) of the landlords are exploiting the system for their own profits, so this is what I think should be done:
Check the legality of the occupancy and facilities of every dwelling that is causing any sort of problem.
Fine the landlords large sums for any breaches of regulations.
Check the legal status of every occupant.
Kick them out if they are not legal. Stop their housing benefit until the problem is sorted if they are legal.
Make it clear to landlords and tenants that this will no longer be tolerated and if it starts up again they will be hit hard financially.
Do not pay for translaters or similar, get the landlords to do it, they are the ones making huge profits at the expense of the local environment.
Stop pussyfooting around and hit the buggers where it hurts.
If you don't have suitable byelaws to deal with it, pass nsome quickly.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#10
barrie
it is only one social grouping that are causing the problems, other eastern europeans fit in ok, they don't overcrowd or throw their rubbish out.
the behaviour is the same whatever country they move to, the french even sent some home.
you're right about the landlords taking responsibility and paying for translators if necessary.
Guest 1033- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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#11
As you say Howard, the French sent some home, which begs the question, why don't we send them home ? Much as I dislike the EU, as we are in it, don't the same rules apply to every member state, and if the French can do it, why haven';t the appropriate authority in the UK used the same rules and kicked them into touch. Next question, which particular authority is falling down on the job ?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#12
the french definitely broke the rules barrie but unlike soppy britain they don't pay any fines imposed.
getting back to the local problem every time i have sent photos to waste department at ddc i have pointed out the severe over crowding problem so they can pass on that info to the correct people.
there are young children that must be living in insanitary conditions, a great cause for concern.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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#13
We do not send them home because our authorities are like brainless sheep and do whatever they are told by the EU, plus you have the apparently biased Human Rights law that seems to be more and more on the side of the lawless rather than the law abiding.
I wonder what the result would have been if the offenders from the rubbish strewn properties up Folkestone Road had been British citizens, I suspect they would have been before the Magistrates by now on some charge or another
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Guest 1033- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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#14
That was going to be my next point Jan, I would bet that neither you nor I would get away with so much for so long, and if the authorities' hands are tied by the EU, then go back to my first idea which is to penalise the landlords to force their tenants to behave by fining them large amounts, or charging them large amounts for the clear ups. Two or three hundred pounds every few days might make the lazy so and so's sit up and take notice.
John Buckley
- Registered: 6 Oct 2013
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#15
A concise, true, honest and straightforward assesment Jan. As Howard has said, other EU member states tend to ignore any fines imposed on them whilst we bend over backwards to pay up in order to prove our "good member" status at every opportunity. ( Did we ever get anything back from the French after our beef was declared to be free of BSE? I don`t think so. )
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#16
just found this interesting article which gives both sides of the argument from an american perspective.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/20/sunday-review/are-the-roma-primitive-or-just-poor.html?_r=0Guest 1033- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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#17
A bit off topic, but I always wondered how much fun it would be if the French were to strike and cause operation stack, if we were to make every French vehicle wait until all the queues were cleared before we let them move. John has just reminded me of the days when our lorries carrying lamb were stopped, broken into and the contents burned by the French under the watchful eye of their police.
Never real;ly wanted to be lumped in with them back in the seventies (I voted 'non'), want it even less now.
But they still manage to get away with sending the undesirables back.
John Buckley- Registered: 6 Oct 2013
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#18
An interesting article Howard. It`s a two way street of course, but they certainly don`t appear to go out of their way to endear themselves to anybody that happens to live near them. However, although this may be a simplistic ( and some may even say unkind ) viewpoint, if it was not for our membership of the EU they would probably not be here in the first place and therefore their own particular problems would be of little concern to us. Even if some were still here, at least we would have the right to deport those that were into criminality as a way of life.
Come January 2014 I assume that this problem could become even worse, or is that just "scaremongering"?
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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#19
probably scaremongering john,but as I keep saying "we have to wait and see what happens if at all".
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#20
i found this piece quite startling john, imagine if we all behaved like we did in the 11th century.
"This month's trial only intensified that debate when members of the defense team offered an unusual legal defense: rather than focusing on the argument that the Roma are forced to resort to crime because of poverty and discrimination, it claimed that in some cases they were simply following age-old Roma traditions and generally operate outside the norms of society in "the style of the Middle Ages."