Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/bbc/9486138/BBC-apologises-for-forecasting-sunshine-after-downpours-dampen-barbecue-weekend.html
Methinks their computer models foretelling of a 6 degree increase in global temperatures need a software update. I suspect they're still using windows vista.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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it appears that they are arrogant enough to override all the data that has been fed into their computers.
michael fish would never make such a mistake.
Guest 664- Registered: 23 Mar 2008
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I think we should beware writing off the possibilitty of Anthropogenic Global Warming on the basis of some dodgy weather forecasts (and cold winters/poor summers).
Tempting though it is, as it means we don't have to make an effort. - not to mention comforting - the smart money is still on AGW taking place and continuing to gather pace in the long term.
Guest 703- Registered: 30 Jul 2010
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You've got it wrong Andrew, the smart money is making even more money out of the unproven con trick that is AGW, and most of it is coming from the consumer.
Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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Couldn't have put it better myself Ray. This is only the latest of a long list of scares which people have managed to fall for over the years. Over the next few years this will fade away and be replaced by some other equally ludicrous scare.
It comforting that there are still some suckers who still believe it in the same way that there are those who still believe in Santa Claus - it makes Christmas, well, more Christmassy.
Guest 664- Registered: 23 Mar 2008
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No, Ray, I have followed the debate quite closely for some time and while the fashion is to deny AGW, the science says otherwise.
The effects of AGW are complex and do not always necessarily being warmer weather. For example it is believed that the current poor summer is down to the Jet Stream being pushed south by the melting ice cap - caused by AGW.
Meanwhile, as I have pointed out in the past, Global Warning is being slowed (but not stopped) by the enormous increase in Chinese coal burning, throwing soot into the atmosphere and blocking out the sun's rays, but this is only a temporary lull.
Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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............hmmmn, what melting ice cap might that be?
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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There may be Global Warming and there may be serious Climate Change, but as we have had 8 Ice Ages already, all nothing to do with man's intervention, why is this one so different ? I don't believe it is.
They are all cyclical; we (some people) just think that becasue we are burning more fossil-fuel, it must be our fault - it's not, but we are costing ourselves enormous amounts of money we can ill afford through green initiatives.
Roger
Guest 664- Registered: 23 Mar 2008
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-14002264
http://www.nrdc.org/globalwarming/
Natural cycles will always occur but it doesn't mean we are not capable of altering the climate ourselves. Why cannot both processes be happening simultaneously?
I wonder how well-informed some of the opinions being bandied about actually are, as if global warming can be abolished by a vote on the Dover Forum.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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We are technically currently in an Ice Age !
Been nice knowing you :)
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Thanks Paul - sums it up then.
Roger
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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No wonder I have not looked in here for a while, he we go again on the same old, tired arguments. Its all cyclical, it will happen anyway, I don't want to change so it's all just a plot to extract more taxes (when has a government ever needed excuses - as if the current impoverished state were not excuse enough), whatever we do has no effect so I can keep on burning trees/coal/oil as much as I like.
It is all very sad. This is a small closed system of a planet we all live on and yet so many care so little about what will be left of it for our children and grandchildren. A look at history shows that wars are pretty cyclical so may as well sharpen your swords, no point trying to find a different solution.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
Brian Dixon
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my prediction for the next hudread years is............. cloudy with a chance of meatballs.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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AGW (thank you Andrew for the acronym), practically and politically, is little more than a replacement for the Cold War. Something huge and intractable to keep us all beholden to the crop of wondrous politicians we are so fortunate to have.
Of course, if there is a problem, then that problem is surely man-made. For, only by accepting this premise can we (humankind) hope to be able to deal with it, and in spite of the ludicrous profiteering schemes (emissions trading etc.) there is some worthwhile work going on, and much yet to do.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/aug/21/alternatives-food-based-biofuelsIgnorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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......"No wonder I have not looked in here for a while, he we go again on the same old, tired arguments".
So what brought you back Chris? You complain about the thread and that being the reason why you don't look in on the forum and in the same breath feel the urge to comment on it. Bizarre!
Come on be honest. Nobody really cares about their great grandchildren. Politicians and bedwetting warmists come out with these trite expressions but very, very few really mean it. It's just nonsense words. The human condition dictates that most of us, excluding the saints of course, care for ourselves in the world we live in now.
It has as much meaning as a miss world contestant telling us that she wants to put an end to world hunger and wouldn't it be great if the leaders of the world could get together and hold hands and create world peace.
Look, environmentalism has replaced socialism or at least it has replaced that wishy washy idea that we've got to stick it to "the man".
To be an environmentalist in terms of climate change merely exposes it's proponents as mainstream conformists.
In years to come our grandchildren will look back and laugh and wonder how stupid the generation was who fell for this hogwash. They won't be living on arks because of supposed rising seas. They won't be living in a smog bound distopian metropolis with blade runner climate police flying on hover scooters.
They will be enjoying life and making the most of life, unlike the moribund, curtain twitching worried well who represent the climate front.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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PhilipP, you've got some (crystal) balls.
As I recall your envisioned future assures the populace of save havens against the rising tide, that's when the mountains of un-recycled rubbish come into their own.
How can there be hope of progress in any sphere if there were to be universal determination to carry-on regardless?
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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PhilipP, this thread just served as a perfect example of how tired and predictable the arguments have become. Of course your response does perfectly sum-up the total disregard for others that is so wrong with modern society as a whole. It is also contradictory as you (in line with most deniers) argue that climate change is just a trendy excuse for taxes and then argue that it is a cyclical trend. You can't have it both ways.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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But Global Warming (and cooling) is cyclical and it is an excuse for raising taxes that just go into Government coffers.
Sources of energy - coal, gas, oil etc. do have a finite supply and new sources of energy like hydrogen and electric cars are good.
I don't know how many years it will be before oil dries up but new sites and sources are being investigated all the time.
Wind and wave power are a tiny source of energy, but the financial cost is enormous.
Roger
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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the oil question is an important one as we know with sovereignty of the falklands by us and argentine arguing over the islands.
on the news there is tension between china and japan over some uninhabited islands that both countries lay claim to.
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