Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I make no comment or apology for the following statement issued by a leading Australian political figure:
"Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia , as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks..
Separately, Rudd angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques. Quote:
'IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians. '
'This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom'
'We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society . Learn the language!'
'Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture..'
'We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.'
'This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.'
'If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.'
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Terry Nunn
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I think in truth that's just about what all of us (including me) think Marek.
I have no problem with others being here as long as they integrate.
BTW During the fires in Australia I thought that Mr Rudd came across as a very human and sensitive politician. I just wish that we had the same.
Terry
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Guest 664- Registered: 23 Mar 2008
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Well put Mr Rudd.
Can we have him in charge here?
He's just saying what the man in the street thinks all over the western world. I sense the tide is turning at last.
This is these way to stop these bullies and it is high time we realised that our hand wringing 'tolerance' is seen as a contemptible weakness.
We should have the confidence in ourselves to say the same.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Very good, just the kind of speaking that would cut the feet from under the BNP nasties if uttered by one of our main political parties (or all).
I like the bit about 'accept the country you accepted'.. It could also be phrased 'accept the British way of life and you will also be accepted'.
Brian Dixon
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thats what we need some straight talking,there again it might upset the nanny do gooders.
Guest 664- Registered: 23 Mar 2008
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Forumites, whether for or against, are largely silent on this one, it seems. I guess it's hard to put your head above the parapet.
Terry Nunn- Location: London Road, Dover
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I don't mind sticking my head up Andrew. Mr Rudd is absolutely bloody right.
Terry
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Andrew
I posted the above and have read it carefully.There is very little to fault in its content but maybe in the tone in which it was delivered to which I am not privvy. Like a number of forumites I have travelled and lived abroad and not at some sunny hotel resort but amongst the locals.Its important to respect the country and the laws regardless of whether one agrees with them or not.
One has to adapt but it does seem clear to me that it is this country thats adapting to the immigrants at the expense of our own indigenous population.
Some of the fiercest critics of the UK immigration policies are immigrants who arrived years ago in that they believe that this country is far too lax in its approach to immigration.
Panorama tonight looks at Bozza Johnsons call for an amnesty for all illegal immigrants already in the UK it should make interesting viewing.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Ross Miller
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Rudd is broadly right on this
For too long the establishment in the UK has tied itself in knots worrying about offending minorities due to the misguided fear that this plays into the hands of the radical few, rather than setting clear unambiguous guidelines for the majority of immigrants as to what is expectedof them and what they can expect in return.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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you can always rely on an australian to say what is on his/her mind.
cuts out a lot of repressed resentment.
i will look at the "panorama" programme later to see what the mayor has to say.
there is an estimated half a million here, most in london.
Rudd is right, and has the courage to say what he thinks. Excellent!
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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I wonder if the native Aborigines would agree with Mr Rudd, there was around a million of them when the first Europeans arrived 1788?
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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they invaded from polynesia though, we will never know who the originals were in each country.
written history does not go back that far.
Guest 672- Registered: 3 Jun 2008
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The bottom of my posting says it all really.
I have always used that saying from day one on this forum and will continue to do so.
That is my view of visiting any other country.
when people visit or live here I expect them to do the same.
It appears it is not so.
We are past the turning point now. Britain is not Britain anymore.
Ian...
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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you will get few arguments ian.
most of our immigrants agree, just the dinner party, champagne socialists that cause the problems.
Guest 664- Registered: 23 Mar 2008
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GaryC - good point.
Guest 672- Registered: 3 Jun 2008
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As I understand things have got better for the Abo's under Rudd.
More land and more understandings.
Admitted they should have got it years and years ago, things are getting better.
Another nation kicked almost out uf touch.
At this moment I would rather think closer to home and get our problems sorted out. Can't see it happening to be honest.
Ian...
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
Nothing wrong with dinner parties, champagne or socialism Howard!!! And Rudd has it right and has the right to say it. And the aborigines have and have had a bad deal, but the answer is to put it right, not to breast-beat as Europeans tend to do.
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Correct Bern
It seems like todays society is forever apologising for mistakes commited by our forefathers centuries ago.Yes its right to apologise,make reparations and amends but it is also right to move on and work together to ensure that similar mistakes are not committed by this or the next generations.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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There are many immigrants in this country that fall into the category where I would agree with Mr Rudd. But there are also many who don't fall into that category who don't cause trouble, try to blend in and conform to British ways of life and deserve to be looked after, many of those would be dead now, had we not embraced them into our country.
I watched some of these immigrants come through Dover,whilst working with immigration, they came with nothing but fear in their eyes and pain on their faces and always frightened to come forward.
Then there was Happy Jack with 12 of his family, bags and belongings, covered in jewellery, all smiling and happy and first through the doors.
The teenagers and young men, alone or in groups, were much harder to work out, was it grief and despair in their eyes or hatred and revenge.
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