Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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23 October 2009
14:1131305#21
We will see then, when DC introduces it
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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23 October 2009
16:0731309#22
I suspect that DC is not at all keen on the idea though some 'trendy' types may be urging him to it. Apparently the last 8 selections have all been men, so what is what I say. merit and merit only should be the determining factor.
One good lesson over why discriminatory shortlists should be avoided is the Labour MP Dawn Butler a fine example of what can happen. Read the following to see what I mean.
http://iaindale.blogspot.com/2009/10/labour-mp-its-racist-not-to-invite-me.htmlGuest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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23 October 2009
22:1231338#23
Just to move this away from Barryw and his continued attack on everything Labour.
The thread is about DC and his Idea to bring in women only shortlists.
As I'v stated before today there are many good women politicians both Nationally and locally, all shown they have the abily alone to make there mark.
Without picking any out you all im sure can pick a number of MP's of all parties both at a national and local level that have produced realy good people but not as women, but as good politicians.
Just from my own point of view, I'v been lucky enough to be on a number of selection panels in the past for the Labour party as i suspect our Baz has for the conservatives.
I never look at a candidate as black/white/blue, pink or man or woman
I always go for, what can this candidate offer to help Dover District locally.
I do realise that not everyone looks at things this way
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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23 October 2009
22:2531341#24
selection panels should be like jon interviews.
the interviewer wants the person that is best equipped to take the company forward, hence the age, race, colour, flavour etc does not enter the equation.
political parties do not look at things that way, in the last constituency that i lived in the asian population was over half the population, the white english made up about a quarter.
the labour party put in a white candidate in the early nineties, a chap called mike gapes, been elected ever since.
overturned a decent blue majority, since then the other parties keep bringing in sikh, hindu and muslim candidates and get nowhere.
the simple fact is that ethnic minorities are not that gullible, they look for the party and candidate that is the best for the job.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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23 October 2009
22:3431343#25
exactly wot i said howard
Guest 673- Registered: 16 Jun 2008
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24 October 2009
00:2131344#26
I am as puzzled as James Hill that David Cameron appears not to be able to make his mind up on whether or not to introduce a short list. He has had many years to "consider" the matter. It is a trifle disconcerting to witness such apparent indecision in somebody who may be our future Prime Minister.
Perhaps he should be asked the difficult "what sort of bikkies do you like?" question and see how long it takes him to come up with an answer.
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24 October 2009
08:0831352#27
Ed - the simple answer is that this is simply a totally 'unConservative' idea that goes down like a lead baloon in the Party. That is why it will not happen. DC gave a 'political' answer to a question where he should have just said no.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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24 October 2009
20:4031429#28
indecisive dc thats wot eds saying and i agree
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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24 October 2009
21:0431433#29
yes boy dave will have to be more clear on subjects from now on, the election is only 6 or 7 months away.
the questions will get much more difficult.
where will the spending cuts be?
will income tax rise, if so, by how much?
will there be a referendum on the lisbon treaty?
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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24 October 2009
21:1631440#30
yep howard the more DC is questioned the more insecure he becomes
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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25 October 2009
07:4231451#31
And the longer the Labour Government are in, the more insecure we all become.
Roger
Brian Dixon
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25 October 2009
12:1531478#32
so we are all insecure then.better we all o grt some counciling or somthing simler.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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27 October 2009
17:3431748#33
Clarification on this from DC.
He is not going to have a policy of imposing all women shortlists.
What the situation actually is, under by-election rules, a shortlist of only 3 candidates is provided to for the local associations from the 'highest quality' candidates available. (Bear in mind we will by then only be talking about a mere handful of seats)
On the candidates list there are some superb high quality women with over 30% of the total being women. It is inevitable that when lists are provided to the associations some will be all men, some will end up all women and others mixed. There will note be a deliberate policy of imposing all women shortlists any more than all men shortlists or mixed...
There you have it. I think this is a bit of a backtrack from a clumsily answered question that has been taken out of context. I certainly cant see any objection to this.